Renowned Death Hag
Ok, I know this is really morbid, but that's why we're all here right? Anywhoo, I was wondering if anyone knows what happened to the crews...i.e. did their bodies disentegrate? Were the bodies recoverd and if so, what condition would they be in...i.e. would it look like car accident? (i'm sure it would look worse but just using that as an example.)
Were there or are there any pics that show them?
Renowned Death Hag
I have wonderd that myself. You are not alone. NASA would never release those pics though
I expect they were blown into thousands of little pieces and ended up as fish food at the bottom of the ocean.
challenger happened my senior year in highschool, so it has always fascinated me the most, i read some where, that when it blew up & then fell back to earth is was w/ such force that the crew literally was torn into bits~ & columbia, that they were horribly burned~
The bodies were recovered in the Challenger accident.
I remember reading in the paper that a few pieces were found. Someone's "foot tissue" was found in a shoe. I read that back when the Challenger disaster happened. I was in third grade and that one line has stuck in my head ever since I read it.
Renowned Death Hag
I vividly remember the Challenger explosion- I was in college at the time- and I remember someone at NASA saying they had "recovered Shuttle Crew remains". Different kind of girl picked up more detail than I, obviously. I wish I had paid more attention, but that phrase stuck with me. Given the distance they fell and the speed at which they hit, I'm not surprised that the "remains" were pulverised. We've heard stories of how bad the bodies look after people jump from bridges,so...
The Challenger remains were recovered and transported to the examiner in black plastic bags in trash cans. 'Tis true. Also, a scalp with ears intact was found in a helmet. The remains of the individual astronauts that could not be identified are all buried together; the identifiable remains are in their respective graves. I don't know about the Columbia remaims.
Andrea
From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11031097/page/2/
Seven Myths About the Challenger Shuttle Disaster
Myth #3: The crew died instantly
The flight, and the astronauts’ lives, did not end at that point, 73 seconds after launch. After Challenger was torn apart, the pieces continued upward from their own momentum, reaching a peak altitude of 65,000 ft before arching back down into the water. The cabin hit the surface 2 minutes and 45 seconds after breakup, and all investigations indicate the crew was still alive until then.
What's less clear is whether they were conscious. If the cabin depressurized (as seems likely), the crew would have had difficulty breathing. In the words of the final report by fellow astronauts, the crew “possibly but not certainly lost consciousness”, even though a few of the emergency air bottles (designed for escape from a smoking vehicle on the ground) had been activated.
The cabin hit the water at a speed greater than 200 mph, resulting in a force of about 200 G’s — crushing the structure and destroying everything inside. If the crew did lose consciousness (and the cabin may have been sufficiently intact to hold enough air long enough to prevent this), it’s unknown if they would have regained it as the air thickened during the last seconds of the fall. Official NASA commemorations of “Challenger’s 73-second flight” subtly deflect attention from what was happened in the almost three minutes of flight (and life) remaining AFTER the breakup.
And...The Challenger Memorial - http://seventhcirclewarehouse.blogsp...-memorial.html
Last edited by Guest; 10-25-2007 at 07:30 AM.
Interesting Screw but that whole scenario is up for debate.Originally Posted by Screwtape
It has been said the crew compartment stayed intact after the explosion (as your post documents) but other investigators have said that the crew compartment was destroyed apon the impact of the explosion.
There is a whole webpage that has the "secret" voice recording transcript of the crew compartment before and after the explosion and if you have seen it, it's disturbing and intense but it is dismissed as a fake.
Personally, I have no idea how it all went down (no pun intended).
By the way, shouldn't this thread be moved to the "Other Names In The News" section?
It's not about actors and actresses.
I'm not sure why it was posted here in the first place...Think about where a topic belongs people!!
Yes, that "secret transcript" is disturbing and from some of the terminology used it seems difficult that someone would make it up. Apparently it was salvaged from Christa McAuliffe's hand-held recorder.
Some say "urban legend"; some say not.
Andrea
Senior Death Hag
Regardless of where it should be posted, I can't imagine what it must have been like if they were indeed alive for that time after the explosion to when the cockpit slammed into the ocean. Talk about terrifying.
The survival of everyone on board depends on just one thing: finding someone on board who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner.
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=151041
Scroll down to bottom of the page to read the fake or real transcript
That last bit of the transcript (after the explosion) seems fake. Just too many cliches and it reads like a sappy movie. If it is real, it is terribly sad but I think they were dead with the explosion or unconcious.
Shucks that's just what I was thinking...
Renowned Death Hag
I think the coolest thing I ever heard about the Challenger disaster thing, was during the memorial service they threw 7 wreaths in the water for each one that died, and a few minutes later, 7 dolphins surfaced and swam in circles around the wreaths.
I remember reading that somewhere and have never heard of anything about it ever since.
But I found both pretty eerie and cool at the same time.
Anyway else heard about this?
I remember the Challenger vividly and I still have the USA Today about it. It was such a tragedy. I am one of the few who think space travel is a waste of money, I just don'y see us being able to one day "move" to another planet, I'd rather see all that money spent on helping THIS planet. I also think all the gasses of the shuttle going up so often is hurting the atmosphere. Both shuttle "accidents" were horrible tragedies
Regarding the Columbia astronauts, remains
found that the media mentioned included
a leg, a head / torso.
Of course there was more and the remains
mentioned were found by citizens.
The story about the Challenger astronauts
remains being transported in bags put
into barrels is most likely true, sad to say.
Footage has been shown that the crew
compartment most likely survived the
initial explosion but was destroyed on
impact.
But after six weeks under water and the
impact involved the condition of the remains
had to be rough.
Cheers all,
Doug
Renowned Death Hag
Actually if you post it in the right section you are entered in a FAD sweepstakes with the chance of winning 1 trillion dollars!!!!
on another note, I was in 2nd grade when the Challenger exploded and I remember it like it was yesterday, very sad and surreal.
Senior Death Hag
LOL...man one trillion...I have to start paying attention where I post things now...
The survival of everyone on board depends on just one thing: finding someone on board who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner.
Renowned Death Hag
Can the thread be moved by any peon, or does the long-suffering Nick need to do it? I think I know the answer (poor Nick), but I figured I'd ask. it really does belong in "Other People" rather than "actors and actresses" but I'd hate to lose the complete thread, or start another one and have the thread spread out.
Cheers,
Amy
I suck with rules. They bore me to death. I don't pay much attention to where these threads are, sigh. Is it really that big of a deal? Don't answer, I'm sure it is to some.
I don't notice either and to be honest I don't really care as long as they're somewhere.
Renowned Death Hag
I actually think this thread is out of place and should be moved. The fact that we know to go to Actors/Actresses to find "Space Shuttle Disasters" means we have been on this forum too many times. Think about the newbies... poor souls, need a secret decoder ring to find what they are looking for.
Obviously a misplaced thread is not life or death (well on this message board it is!) but the idea about putting a topic in the appropriate place helps people find it more easily. Why mess up the forum by putting topics in any place, totally willy-nilly? That's not cool.
I believe it's also what Nick (the administrator) wants.
(you're such a rebel, Different Kind Of Girl).
My mother was a teacher at the time and one of the people that they were thinking of going up there. She didn't get chosen(thank goodness)
Renowned Death Hag
Maybe one of the Astronauts was trying to pursue an acting career... then we can find a loop hole and be at peace because the thread is indeed in the right place. AND ALL WILL BE RIGHT WITH THE WORLD AGAIN!
Renowned Death Hag
"Can the thread be moved by any peon, or does the long-suffering Nick need to do it? I think I know the answer (poor Nick), but I figured I'd ask. it really does belong in "Other People" rather than "actors and actresses""
holy crap. l can't imagine caring.
Renowned Death Hag
It's actually been a pet peeve of Nick's (the moderator), misplaced and duplicated threads, so I'm not asking to be a complete ass. I'll PM him about it. Makes more more work for him if things end up in the wrong place.
I work for the USFS, and some of our folks were called out by FEMA to be on incident teams, to walk the areas where pieces of the Columbia craft and bits of bodies were found.
I don't know of anyone that found any remains, but I am sure that is something that you wouldn't come back to work and brag about and I sure didn't ask... Just another reason why I never volunteer for things like that... Several of our team members were mobilized for 9-11, and also they had to go kill chickens out west when there was that big chicken illness... Yeeecchhhh... Yes, I am a death hag, but I have no desire to see those things up close and personal... hypocrite? maybe! Another reason I am grateful that there are people who are willing to do those sorts of things!
Sus
This is why I mentioned it in the first place.
I sure wasn't meaning to be a hard ass about it but somethings just belong in certain places, that's all.
It just makes things easier for all of us.
If you enjoy misplacement and disarray, knock yourself out but I don't know why you'd be proud about it (ahem).
Renowned Death Hag
yes things in the right place makes things easier but it's not my job.
this is supposed to be for fun.
anyways.... l was so glad to find this place where one can discuss things like 'were there bits of dead body left after the crash' because it's not the sort of thing l'm going to ask people l know. after reading all this l keep thinking of the skull with the ears attached. ewwwwww
Renowned Death Hag
When I posted this, I thought I was in the right folder thingy. I messed up, but havent figured out how to move it. My bad!
Renowned Death Hag
I think only Nick can do it at the moment. No worries! We all make mistakes! I sent him a Private message, so he'll get to it when he gets a chance.
It's a great thread, so I'd hate to see it lost!
Cheers,
Amy
I was working at Johnson Space Center when the Challenger exploded. The facts as I understand them have already been posted in this thread. 1) The cabin did indeed survive the explosion. 2) Three of Four EAPS (Emergency Air Packs) that were recovered had been activated. 3) The crew died on impact. 4) There wasn't too much left of the crew by the time they recovered the crew compartment. The compartment's interior came a part on impact and smashed against the forward bulkhead. Think of all of the sea creatures that like to munch on whatever is laying around.
As far as Columbia is concerned, I was talking with a close friend of mine recently who still works there and he said that the shuttle held together for almost another minute after radio contact was lost. Beyond that all he will say about the crew is that they believe that they died quickly.
Renowned Death Hag
Nasa has film of the Columbia cockpit just minutes before the ship started coiming apart.They say the explosion destroyed the rest of the video. How could just part of the video survive?
Death Hag
They found the capsule on my 8th birthday i remember watching it in the tv while having breakfast i think they showed a helmet and a short clip of the scene but no wreckage(damm it).
My husband works for NASA and was working there during the Columbia accident. This tragedy really touches home for me, not just because my husband works for NASA. At my childrens' elementary school there is an autographed picture of Rick Husband, Columbia's commander. My husband worked with the pilot, Willie McCool. My daughter volunteers at the animal lab at the area science magnet school. Laurel Clark's son, mission specialist, has been there a couple of times and I've seen his dad pick him up. Reminders like seeing the son or the autographed picture, keeps this tragedy alive in my heart.
Also check out this link....
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cy/q0258.shtml
Renowned Death Hag
great info Helby...TY for posting
Renowned Death Hag
I was just watching a documentary called "From Above" on a short doc. collection. It was about the Columbia tragedy and it really choked me up.
Again, now that we have many more members...do you remember when these events happened? I was a sophmore in high school when the Challenger exploded...
Thoughts....
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]peek-a-boo!!
I was in 5th grade when the Challenger exploded. That really bothered me for the longest time.I was sad about the Columbia too but it didn't take me by suprise like the challenger did,the way the world is now though nothing suprises me anymore
I was in 1st grade when the Challenger went down I remeber watching it. I didnt understand then tho.
So sad.
All this time I was always under the impression that the Challanger astronauts died instantly,but apparently not. That's very sad and frightning.
I was a freshman in High School...my science teacher once worked for NASA and was one of many finalists for the teacher in space program...we were watching the launch that day as it happened..we studied up on the shuttle for about a month prior to the launch and I remember getting up that day and the reporters specifically discussing how the boosters had to be "thawed out" that morning...I told my mom and dad..that's not good and explained that the gaskets are not meant to go from extreme cold to extreme heat...it's like taking a rubber band and freezing it and then adding direct heat...first it will crack then it will burn and melt
long story short when I saw the boosters go and the look on Mr. Dwyer's face I knew what had happened...some in class were whoooping and hollering to celebrate but the few of us that were actually paying attention got it..he immediately excused class for the rest of the day...even at that young age I knew that I just witnessed 7 people die and it shook me up
hadn't felt that way again until 9/11 to this day seeing footage of either gets me very choked up
the Columbia disaster was equally upsetting to me especially when I heard the reports about how long the debris field was...neither crew stood a chance
I was a senior in high school when the Challenger exploded. I remember the news like it just happened yesterday.
What I most remember and this is strange is when Ronald Reagan speech.
"they slipped the surly bonds of earth and touched the face of God" is what I have always remembered.
Here is the whole speech
http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reag...challenger.asp
I remember hearing or reading somewhere that there are recordings of the astronauts screaming after Challenger blew up. Has anyone else heard anything like this?
Did you read this? I read another thing on here too but I can't find it.
I just found this. I don't know how true it is though...
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_024b.html
And another...
http://www.blurofinsanity.com/challenger.html
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