Pre ordered my copy of Christine from Amazon, available 2/14/17. Pretty sure my little Podunk town won't have it. I can't wait.
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Pre ordered my copy of Christine from Amazon, available 2/14/17. Pretty sure my little Podunk town won't have it. I can't wait.
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Just watched it (and burned it onto disc) from PPV (Pay per View) today. I really liked it. Loved the 70's look of everything. I felt bad for her at the end there when she had felt her life just didn't have any meaning to have lead her to do that to herself.
I watched it a few days ago, can't tell you the sight, but it left me with a few questions. For sake of giving away spoilers, I'll wait for several months to ask around. Overall it was good, they had the early 70's just as I remember them.
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Ok, so I couldn't wait for my dvd and watched Christine on ppv. I can't really decide how I feel about it yet, could be because of the build up and anticipation. I did the same thing with another movie once, eventually decided I liked it.
I finally watched Christine, not expecting to appreciate it much. We'll probably never know how historically accurate it is, but if there is a "take away" from this movie, and for me there was, it would be the suggestion that resilience and adaptability are critically important living skills to develop if we are to endure this moment to moment struggle that is life. Experiencing deep & intense feelings in response to your environment & circumstances is a double-edged sword. It can be a blessing and a curse. Probably mostly a curse. It's an easy thing to make that observation, but for many people it is many different kinds of difficult to put it into useful practice in their lives.
They did a really good job of capturing that 70's look and vibe. It reminded me that no matter how much progress we've made with technological advances, etc. since that time - The most valuable & important things in our lives are still our relationships with ourselves & each other - so very little has truly changed. There have been many other tragic deaths since Christine's. Suffering is timeless. Hope needs to be timeless too.
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Guys, I think this a fake but here's either a really good re-creation/fake or the real deal. Decide for yourselves.
https://youtu.be/8agGtFmAJFQ?t=8m44s
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Something seems off to me about it.
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I'm thinking it's fake, it's possible it's a VHS copy taken from a different camera angle in the ABC archives (very, very doubtful) but the way her body reacts to the shooting doesn't jive with what we've read.Originally Posted by TheWrath of MadelineKahn
However, it's clear that a lot of attention to detail went into this:
The top is a photo taken after the shooting.
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I can't quite put my finger on it, but something doesn't seem right. I wonder why the weatherman lead in was in color and flawless video.
If you were going to fake a tape, this would be the exact time in history to do it, even the static at the bottom of the screen doesn't seem right.
In going back in this thread, several people that claimed to have seen the video said the background of the set was blue, others said it was green.
It looks black or dark brown in the pic above.
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I don't think that was actually from WXLT (the lead in) just some random old footage from a random station.
The Christine footage at the beginning was taken from "Kate Plays Christine".
I'm not saying that I don't really, really doubt this is the real deal, at all. The top photo is from the shooting and if this is a re-enactment (which I REALLY think it is), they have some really good attention to detail. Plus, it appears (the video is so grainy, you can't tell), the actress launches her face into solid wood?
I'm really, really doubting it but it's the closest we've come to possibly seeing the real thing beyond someone remembering some random video from the 90s.
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Would you mind if I grabbed a copy?
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Is the top photo a real one from the day it happened?
Also, that video link... VERY clever if it is a fake!
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itwbtc16, I think I saw your breakdown over at that other forum and I agree with almost all of it, except that bit about what she said (the police report) I think that was just a transcript of her actual script she had written down rather a transcript of the tape itself?
I don't have the report anymore.
Regardless, I think that video is all a publicity stunt.
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I guess it does say that it's a tape of the taping itself...hmmm. I wonder why Sally Quinn, who has seen the video, said in her article those last words we all know when they're actually something different? Makes no sense.
http://www.ibtimes.com/video-christi...equent-2431878
This article talks about how she never really wanted to commit suicide and only tried to attempt suicide? Half convincing considering the word choice of her speech...If that is the case, maybe that's why her name was not wanted in the station..They probably saw this as a really really sick joke she tried to play that went wrong?
That video has to be a fake right? She does not even look like chubbuck. I mean if the only person who has the tape is Mollie Nelson then how could this have gone out?
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I mean from the youtube clip
http://www.findadeath.com/forum/atta...id=54162&stc=1
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Sally Quinn is selling her New England home... a little place you may have heard of called "Grey Gardens"? http://www.townandcountrymag.com/lei...c=socialflowFB
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Allegedly the house smells of raccoon pee every time it rains. Ben Bradlee had said they would have torn it down had they known the smell would survive all of their renovations.
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https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e9_1486714728 I can't believe it..
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She smacked her head good didn't she?
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Thoughts about the video...
If it's a fake, somebody clearly went to some expense to create a very realistic fake. And if that actually is the case, the attention to detail is remarkable. We are part of a tiny handful of people who know the details backward and forward, and somebody busted his or her ass to create something realistic enough to get past us? Maybe.
What about voice analysis? There are obviously example's of Christine's voice out there. Would somebody be able to do a professional analysis, or is the audio quality too poor?
The admins over at Nation Squid have ignored questions about the tape's authenticity for a few days now. Doesn't necessarily mean it's fake; they could have good reasons for not wanting to say where they acquired the tape.
And here's one for the "it's fake" column: Wasn't there supposed to be some kind of injunction against posting the real video online? I know in the past when people have claimed they saw the video on the internet, the narrative was often that it popped up in some obscure corner of the internet, and then was removed almost immediately. This has been online for a few days now, and duplicated on other sites like LiveLeak. The people who were suppressing the video just don't care anymore?
And finally...
I have at one time or anther read this entire damn thread. In the course of doing so, I have seen MANY people claim that they saw the video. Any of you care to chime in? Is this consistent with what you remember? Yes? No?
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Yeah, that's what I believe, it's fake. It's not a terribly complicated set to recreate, and the fact that it's grainy and you can't really make out exactly who it is... not buying it. There are also apps on the internet that can create that grainy fuzzy look for any film.
By my troth, I care not; a man can die but once; we owe God a death.... He that dies this year is quit for the next.
--William Shakespeare!
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I say fake. There is no reason why a real tape of the broadcast would be that crappy. While TV has come a long ways since then those of us that were around then know it wasn't anywhere near that bad.
Even UHF was better than that.
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I doubt the video is legit, either. However, at this point, trying to find the real thing is like asking for a miracle.
Still, great attention to detail nonetheless.
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I don't really get the point of faking it, but maybe my mind just doesn't work that way. I wouldn't do something like that - and spend the money it would no doubt cost - unless it benefited me financially in some way.
I still want to hear from the "I saw it in the '90s" people. While I wouldn't take their response as gospel (for reasons discussed on here ad nauseum, i.e., false memory syndrome), I do think their input could be illuminating.
Sincerely yours,
Upset
This news site is purporting it to be real, even though they didn't even know where the video originated:
www.adweek.com/tvspy/long-lost-video-of-florida-anchors-on-air-suicide-posted-to-youtube/185702
Irresponsible reporting if I ever saw it.
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So torn - I don't want to watch if it's fake.
From the comments, a woman identified as "B. Hammer":
"Any video would be in color. The show was recorded on quad tape (2" reel to reel) and there was no time date stamp at the top. Perhaps this was added in the dub, but I don't believe it is authentic. I replaced Christine Chubbick at WXLT and was in a position to know. Also, as soon as she pulled the gun out the video was dumped. Audio of the shot remained on the tape, because in all the craziness the director forgot to cut the audio."
So the audio isn't out there because it'd be matched to the video to prove authenticity?
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Some very interesting discussion on the Nation Squid forums. For the moment, at least, I am now convinced the footage is real.
One of the users over there, Cookie, uploaded some still frames from the video to Imgur, as well as a "known" photo of the actual set. If you compare the letters in the NEWSWATCH logo - which were obviously "homemade" - they basically look exactly the same in the 2 shots, if you take into account the distortion of the shots being from 2 slightly different angles. The two Ws in the Chubbuck video differ from each other slightly, and the Ws in the other photo differ from each other in the same way. Cookie floated the possibility that the photo was used somehow in the creation of the video, which could account for the similarities. This is possible, I guess, but for now I am leaning heavily in the direction of the video being authentic.
Here is Cookie's Imgur page:
http://imgur.com/a/mtfwT
Sincerely yours,
Upset
It's fake.
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Hm. Not sure about taking one guy's 42 year old memory as gospel, assuming he DID see it live.It's fake.
Also, VCRs definitely DID exist in 1974, so dude clearly has some pretty serious problems with his memory.
Sincerely yours,
Upset
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In the comments of the adweek article posted upthread by dycaite22 someone posts that the time stamp at the top of the screen disappears when the distortion comes in, even with distortion they should appear in all of the frames.
I'm going with my first thought, fake. Very good fake, but fake nonetheless.
Especially with the comments by Gordon, I don't care if it was 42 years ago, I'm sure they poor guy remembers it vividly.
I can't believe any reputable news outlet would claim this is genuine if there is absolutely no provenance.
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Eh, many studies have been published about the unreliability of memory. I'm not sure why a memory of somebody shooting themselves would be any different. And regarding "authorities," look at MirrorDimly's post above. That person who says they replaced Christine at WXLT says the screen faded to black before she even shot herself. We KNOW that isn't true.
Regarding the time stamp thing, I don't know. Guess I need to look at the video again.
I still wish someone on here who claimed to have seen the video would chime in.
Sincerely yours,
Upset
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The emboldened part above is an extremely problematic line of argument as the distortion almost certainly comes from physical degradation of the tape as opposed to an issue with the original broadcast. So of course the time stamp would suffer the same distortion as the rest of the film.
It's almost certainly real; even the high budget recreations come nowhere close to this level of authenticity. The "FAKE" crowd are failing to use critical thinking and are instead latching onto single factoids.
What's interesting to me is the source of this footage, because if it's different to Mollie Nelson's footage then we could yet have a clearer copy to come which will serve the dual purpose of verifying this footage. There is surely less motivation to keep any other copies concealed now - assuming there are any.
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The video looks like the one I saw...I would hate to say it's the real thing as now days things can easily be faked but I think we found the holy grail, if this is a fake I'll be surprised.
They existed in 1972 for home model use, they were first invented in the 50sHm. Not sure about taking one guy's 42 year old memory as gospel, assuming he DID see it live.
Also, VCRs definitely DID exist in 1974, so dude clearly has some pretty serious problems with his memory.
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They are the same logo.
I am going back and watching the Christine movie suicide movie scene with the "real video", some people are saying this is outakes from the movie, they both say entirely two different things, I can't tell if the "real one" she is saying channel 30 or 40, okay I just watched in the movie , she puts the gun up under her hair right against her ear, in the "real" footage she puts it right against her head near the back of her ear, so it's not the movie also you can see ABC right there on the ticker, does anyone that seen the movie remember what channel or did they mention a channel it was aired on, ?
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If it is real, I wonder how it's taken so long to come to light.
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I watched it again the timestamp/logo does not fade out as someone posted that it did. The tape is old from a vintage VCR so there is going to be the lines and the going in and out. I wonder if someone at the station actually got more than one copy and released it, in answer to Gordon saying it's fake as there were no VCRs, oh yes there were, there were VCRs in the 50s but they were very very expensive, the first home model was made and sold in 1972, only the rich could afford them.
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Ok, I'm obviously grasping at straws here, but someone employed at the station and "in the know" around the time of this event could have easily recreated it a few days/weeks/months later, thinking it could be worth something some day. Makes more sense to me then going out and rebuilding a set from 40+ years ago. I'm not sure we'll ever really know...
By my troth, I care not; a man can die but once; we owe God a death.... He that dies this year is quit for the next.
--William Shakespeare!
They did a good a job, but her outfit does not match descriptions of the event.
Additionally, the sun logo comes up a little too high & the "H" at the end of Newswatch is too wide- even taking the angle into account, it's just too wide.
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In the movie it's WZRB, channel 30.
The real station was channel 40/WXLT, I believe it was an ABC affiliate.
Though I was in a bit of shock when this surfaced, I have to say, I'm 99 percent sure it's a fake. After Gordon (one of the people there that day) said there was only one camera...I don't see how it's possible this real. It was in color, and the camera was zoomed in, in close up, when it happened.
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I really don't know how you can conjure an arbitrary percentage like "99%" unless your years of searching have entrenched scepticism. It may have been broadcast in colour but how do you know it was recorded in colour? How do you know colour was not lost due to formatting issues? And who said it was zoomed right in? Do we have any footage to compare from that time which would suggest a "close up" shot was something they used? A wide pan was used when they had four people sitting at the desk so if they only had one camera then was it respositioned for solo broadcasts?
Look at the way the lighting falls between the reading rests on the top picture (which we know to truly represent the actual studio) and the suicide footage still. To recreate that so precisely would be very difficult unless reusing the actual studio setup.
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Combine these two posts in one comment box.
Look at the way the lighting falls between the reading rests on the top picture (which we know to truly represent the actual studio) and the suicide footage still. To recreate that so precisely would be very difficult unless reusing the actual studio setup.
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Remember not everyone had a color T.v. in the 70s so thus it could have been tapped from someone's t.v., I feel this is the real one, and it's hard to see what color of dress she is wearing as it's in black and white and very grainy.
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Also, just because it was broadcast in color, that doesn't mean it would be RECORDED in color. Someone on one of the other forums made the observation that back in the day stations would often record programs that they were saving for archival purposes in black and white. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. But it could also be a copy of a copy.
I'm definitely not going to base my judgment on the testimony of one man, whether he was there that day or not. People often have faulty memories. They have also been known to lie. (I mean seriously, people are the WORST.)
I will say this, though: If this is a fake, I am guessing we will get more info at some point. If *I* had created a phony Chubbuck video this convincing, I would definitely want to step forward and take credit for it. The temptation to say "gotcha!" would already be killing me.
Sincerely yours,
Upset
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Even if it was a recording from someone's television, the footage would've been in a tight close up, not a wide shot with her face conveniently obscured. It also wouldn't have had the ABC logo with the time stamp at the top while the video is playing.
Oh of course! I'm sure we'll hear about this in the next few weeks once the video has the amount of hits the uploader feels appropriate.I will say this, though: If this is a fake, I am guessing we will get more info at some point. If *I* had created a phony Chubbuck video this convincing, I would definitely want to step forward and take credit for it. The temptation to say "gotcha!" would already be killing me.
Last edited by Michael555; 02-14-2017 at 10:52 AM.
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