Renowned Death Hag
WTF was that? Don't you have to get permission to use pieces of films? I doubt the people that own the rights to a Humphrey Bogart film would want it featured in a video with really bad 70s porn and that freaky silent movie about the devil and witches, BTW its a Danish movie called Haxan (1922)Originally Posted by Sgt. Pepper
What I find very unsettling is that there seems to be absolutely no footage of Christine Chubbuck left at all, bar a few seconds of film and some stills. The woman was pioneering, she was on tv for several seasons, and there is not a trace of her work anywhere. That, and the sometimes absolutely stupefying comments made by her former co-workers after the suicide, make me feel that there was something more sinister going on in Sarasota.
Look at this thread, going on page 56, over three times more than the JFK-thread by comparison, it makes me very happy that Christine is not forgotten. Keep on looking, keep on asking questions!
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The only reason this thread is 56 pages long is because we all wanna see her painting the wall with her brains. The longer that takes, the longer this thread will be and the more Christine will be built up into some amazing person who everyone would have loved to know. If in 2013 there is no footage of a person on the internet, they weren't that big of a deal.
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because I'm not sifting through this entire thread, was this noticed by anyone? http://lostmedia.wikia.com/wiki/Chri...orded_in_1974)
At the very bottom there is a link to this thread which reads "Ongoing Christine Chubbuck thread at findadeath.com, in which various people claim to have seen the footage after its initial 1974 broadcast. Retrieved 05 Jul '13.".
We're famous!
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Cool.
Try the FCC archives. They should have a copy. And I'm sure it's somehow accessible by now. We just have to pull some strings.
Ok...who here knows somebody who works for the FCC?
I sent in two requests just now, one for the footage itself, and one for any records regarding the footage (possible complaints, investigations, etc.). I don't have high hopes but it's worth a shot, right? It's been a while since anyone has mentioned that they contacted the FCC, so lets hope something has changed within the past few years.
Renowned Death Hag
They would sell the footage to the enquirer before they handed it over to a death hag.
If I had the footage, I would destroy it.
I received an email today from the FCC saying that they are working on retrieving my request and should get back to me by January. The funny thing is that they only sent me the email about one of my requests - for documents regarding the incident. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that they aren't even processing requests for the footage itself anymore.... Or they just haven't gotten to my other request. Who knows. Either way, it's quite intriguing.
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I believe they were talking about Bud Dwyer.
They were, and I misunderstood. However, it was not a completely useless search. Turns out other places mentioned that they believed the Chubbuck footage was on it too. A 'lucky' misunderstanding, I guess (except no footage was found). Research turned up fairly concrete proof that the Chubbuck footage was never on that tape.
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Oddly enough if one ever does get the footage after watching it its pretty much either that ( destroying it ) or put it back on the shelf. What else can one do with it ???? Well I guess one could put the video on You Tube or whoever but I hope he/she has enough money in their bank account to pay for a lawyer once WWSB-TV ( WXLT ) and/or the Chubbuck family sues you.
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Honestly, if I found it (we're talking a big 'if' here), I would allow it to be viewed by everyone on this forum, and then I'd put it away. There's no ethical reason to post it online or god forbid sell the damned thing.
For those of us who are trying to piece this story together, the video is merely a side-note. I think a good-sized portion of those searching for this tape are more interested in the first few minutes where she's reporting, and not the last few seconds where she does the deed.
Type in "christine chubbuck" on this site...there appears to be some PDF file data...
http://www.governmentattic.org/
All that's on there is FOIA request logs. We can conclusively prove that Marilyn Fletcher did not receive the footage from the FCC, as it is marked as 'no record' under reason for denial.
Didn't she say she saw the footage in the documentary? Is there a way of contacting Mrs. Fletcher?
Marilyn Fletcher wasn't in the documentary - you may be thinking of Sally Quinn. Her email is quinns@washpost.com.
Sally Quinn...ahhhh...that's the ticket. Thanks.
Does anybody have Mrs. Fletcher's contact info? I feel like it was posted or linked on this forum a long time ago but I dont really wanna go through this thing again looking for it, not quite bored enough to do that just yet.
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there's a search feature on here, just search the thread... you'll know fairly quickly.
Marilyn Fletcher, the producer of the E! segment, can be contacted through her LinkedIn page found here http://www.linkedin.com/in/marilynfletcher.
Sally Quinn, the woman who wrote the extensive Washington post article, can be contacted here quinns@washpost.com.
Okay, I want you guys to level with me here. Do you think that there is enough story here to make a full documentary? And if so what are some of the things you guys would like to see in one? Besides the suicide footage of course which I'm not sure would even be possible to show in a doc if it was found.
I think it is going to take a lot more research to piece together all of the information that will be needed to fill out an entire documentary. While we have so much information already, we have a lot of holes to fill. I will shoot you a pm with more specifics.
I will contribute as much as possible to the documentary. It's official. Brilliant idea, Indy!
Well I wouldnt say its official at this time but its definately something Ive been working on for a couple of months now. Personally I'm thinking that this concept would be best served as a docudrama, or maybe a hybrid of two different documentary styles. Right now I am just trying to raise about $15,000, writing a concept layout, and getting an overall pitch together before I even think about talking to anyone. If any of you guys think you can contribute logistically or otherwise in my foolish endeavor anything would be very much appreciated. I already have about $9,000, do any of you lovely people have a nice narrating voice? Haha
I've done some narrating for a small indy project. Heh.
On a serious note, have you tried fund raising through the GoFundMe.com web site? May be worth a shot.
I was thinking about Kickstart but thanks for the recommendation I will check it out
Yes please pm me when you can, I look forward to what you have to say the research that you have provided thus far has been awesome. The thing that bothers me and provides motivation is that if all of the people finding research on this thread is true then the clock is indeed ticking on this story. With respect, Tim is gone, Peg is gone, George P. is gone, Nelson is gone, George senior may not be alive. Greg is the last one of the Chubbuck children alive and hes in his sixties by now, this thing has to happen sometime soon and Im tired of waiting for someone else to do it.
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I think that in a documentary about Chubbock, her mindset is the biggest question most people have that and the obvious what happened, does the tape still exist?
Indiegogo could also fund the project...
http://www.indiegogo.com/
I dont think thats a question that will ever be definitively answered, asking Christine Chubbuck herself would be the only way and she may not have had an answer that she could explain to another person. After all her therapist did say she didnt think she was serious about killing herself but we do know that she was verbal to her coworkers about what was bothering her. And what did she say? I am lonely, I have never felt that anyone loved me in a romantic way, so much so that I would settle for just one week of true love (her words), I have had a hard life. I personally think the tape could exist but I wouldnt hold my breath. All we have to go on right now is anecdotal confessions of seeing it when the internet was in its infancy and more than a few of those vary in details so take that for what its worth (which is nothing) and theories that the FBI have a copy for training purposes and the FCC has a copy locked away that they wont share with anybody. So yeah not much. On Christine's motivations, Filmmaker Werner Herzog recently said that documentary filmmaking has to move away from pure fact based storytelling because facts per se do not constitute truth otherwise the Manhattan phone directory would be the book of books with four million entries, every single one factually correct. Pick a random person and you will find his true address and telephone #, but it wont tell you whether or not he has nightmares or cries into his pillow at night. With Christine we Know that she was depressed, isolated, and deeply concerned with the human condition and her relationship to it, I dont think that assumptions are really all that necessary we probably already know more than we give ourselves credit for do you understand?
Enough of all the "where is the Christine blowing her brains out footage" talk...Where is the OTHER footage of Christine Chubbuck?
Why is the PG-Rated stuff unavailable? :/
Yeah I'm getting a little tired of it also, personally Id like to just see more Suncoast Digest. That doesnt mean that if we had a promising lead on the footage, I wouldnt do my part to locate it its just that all of the leads we have right now are just too vague to take seriously. To answer your question, its because a certain weatherman wont share the stuff, cant say as I can really blame him that much though I'm sure hes had to deal with a fair share of Chubbuck ghouls over the years. I dont particularly care to see Christine shoot herself though my interest in the footage is simply because its more footage, more proof that she existed. She was descibed as particularly beautiful that morning wearing a black and white print dress and a fresh tan, these are the things that interest me just her.
Renowned Death Hag
because she wasn't that big a deal until she blew her brains out. It happens.
I think we should stop asking so many questions on this thread. Questions appear to be the Troll's food of choice
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nah, phoniness is my food of choice
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I didn't think the comment was trolling. I would be (mildly) curious to see more Suncoast Digest stuff, but I think it's probably true that none of us would know who she was if she hadn't killed herself. To say she was "not that big a deal" is accurate. I personally would love to see the footage of her final broadcast, though I am at the point where I consider it unlikely.
nah, phoniness is my food of choice
Well I guess when you've done something at the beginning, the middle, or the end of your life that inadvertently inspires a political satire that wins 4 academy awards and is nominated for 6, that even 37 years later only becomes more relevant with every day that passes. Well, I guess we can talk about you instead. Until then there is no need to post inflammatory stuff just for the sake of posting it. There are 100 million trolls on the internet and the fact that you choose to be another one says more about you than a dead woman. I bet if someone showed up on this thread with the footage and started sending it to people via email you would be first in line. If tomorrow you made network news by committing suicide in public in some way I promise I would be interested in what type of person you were, and would pursue that information where I could find it. Why? Well I guess thats just the way I am. Dont mean to offend you dude but you seem to have issues with this. A story is a story and details are......well......details.
She was still a LIVE BROADCAST JOURNALIST during an era when ALL THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAPED, people. If anything, as a teaching aid/tool for future female broadcast journalists.
Locally, Dell Ward used to do a weekly show "like Sun Coast digest" and she did it for many years...there's footage of Dell Ward going back to her beginnings in the 50s (at a station far SMALLER than WXLT I might add). Also, none of you have ever heard of Dell Ward.
My question was completely COMMON SENSE...and makes sense considering the "honest and innocent" footage is more likely to come to us rather than the tragic footage.
Why did WXLT and the FCC DESTROY all of Christine Chubbuck's footage? That's an important question here, and one that should be analyzed. She was a licensed and educated journalist who had her own television show in the 1970s. There should be some logical file footage of her stint somewhere.
I just find the fact that they covered up all her tracks to be odd.
What does that even mean? are you trying to say that a persons feelings and attitude do not deserve commentary until they have made some sort of great accomplishment. No one on here is saying that she was Jesus Christ or anything. To say that she was "not that big of a deal" is also not really necessary.
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Im fascinated by her but she really was "not that big of a deal" especially outside of our very small community that craves info on her and insight into her psyche.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can express it here as long as it doesnt break forum rules.
Jason is not a troll by any means.
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Renowned Death Hag
Oh, come on. Exactly ZERO of the threads on this site are about people who did not in some way make themselves noteworthy to the public. CC did not become noteworthy until her suicide. People talk about things they find INTERESTING. If you think being an obscure broadcaster in Florida who nobody has ever heard of is interesting, why don't you start a thread on one who HASN'T killed herself? Just don't be surprised if you get less than 50+ pages of responses. LOL
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OK ok ok look I am not trying to sanctify this woman or anything like that but she was a human being just like you, me and everybody else. I mostly got past being a cynic sometime in high school and I like people and human suffering is something that interests me a lot. Jason, calling you a troll was uncalled for and I apologize but from your earlier posts you seem to have an issue with the length of this thread. You do realize that like the first 49 pages of this thing were people searching high and low for that footage but they never found it. Believe me if I had the footage I would give it to you myself. everybody here is doing what they can. In the meantime I will continue to post the stuff that I do. To what end do posts like "she was just some nut who ended it live on camera" serve? They are certainly not going to produce the footage. And I know saying kind things about someone I have never met will not do that either however if you read my recent posts you will see that I have intentions that Cynicism does not serve well. No phoniness here sir just genuine old fashioned compassion, something the free world could use a lot more of for the living and the dead. Still you are entitled to your opinion and I will henceforth respect it. Again I apologize for calling you a troll.
Don't hit meh...
Peace and love, gang!
I want to drink Christine Chubbuck's blood...THERE, that got some attention.
j/k Happy Holidays to All, From Greg Chubbuck and the Pigs in a Blanket Table
Don't hit meh...
Peace and love, gang!
I want to drink Christine Chubbuck's blood...THERE, that got some attention.
j/k Happy Holidays to All, From Greg Chubbuck and the Pigs in a Blanket Table
Haha wtf was that? What does that even mean? Seriously though happy holidays everyone and stay safe.
I dunno...@Jeff Spicoli voice@
Cheers and Egg Nog.
No shoes no shirt no diiiiiice haha.
Renowned Death Hag
first off, I was here when this thread was created... so I don't consider myself a troll, but you can think that about me if you choose. Secondly, I popped back in here after taking a break from this forum and just found it interesting, and seemingly disingenuous, that this woman was still being built up and glorified while we all sit and wait for this tape to finally surface. Also, I never said I didn't wanna see the tape... why the hell do you think I keep popping back in here?
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I think Christine was a hell of a woman. She worked during the 70s in a job that was mostly done by men. It was very bold at that time for a woman to be a newscaster, from what I read and heard about her she knew exactly what she wanted and she did what she wanted come hell or high water. Some would call her a feminist and some, not on this thread or board have even wondered if she was gay. She came off as confident, strong willed, and independent. Of course many of us have not heard about her until this thread, hell I wasn't even born when she offed herself. Just like a lot of subjects on this board, were never heard of until they died. She doesn't deserve any less respect because of it. We are just all wondering why someone like her choose to end her life in such a way in front of the camera? Also why is there hardly anything about her?
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