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  1. #901
    DexterKitty Guest
    Ok guys... I think the footage will be leaked eventually, and I'm talking mainstream. There's a guy that is planning on making a movie about her. This guy wants that footage really bad. We need to search for this very hard to find tape.' Fear-Faces of Death 3.' It's an alternate third version in the 'Faces of Death' series. I'm having trouble finding out much about it. It's my understanding that this particular version came out in China or Japan. When it came to America it was revamped to please the censors. It was remixed back to it's original form, and re released in America. I'm not sure how long the remixed original was available to the American public. It may have been pulled after a short run. We need to find out more about that movie !!!

  2. #902
    mandi Guest
    i have been looking on the net for a few days now, but everything i find its says the family destroyed the footage, so keen to see it, but i wonder if it does exist at all.
    I will keep looking though, can't give up being a death hag and all!

  3. #903
    mandi Guest
    http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd...y-edition.html

    Ok, just this review on Faces of Death 3- it is the japanese version they are talking about, but no mention of Chubbock at all, hope the link works, let me know if it doesn't.

  4. #904
    mandi Guest
    Oh sorry guys this might be just the 1st one not the 3rd sorry

  5. #905
    DexterKitty Guest
    mandi.... welcome to the thread. A lot of people claim to have seen the footage. I saw it years ago on one of those real death movies. Her family got a copy of it,and the FCC got a copy of it. It was also used to make law enforcement training videos. IMO... there's A LOT of potential for it to have been leaked years ago. All it takes is one person to copy it when it was in law enforcement's hands. Death Hags like ourselves have been around for a long time. People are just now becoming comfortable with showing interest in the macbre. It's more acceptable these days to be different than others. I think there a lot of closet Death Hags too LMAO!!!

  6. #906
    imadeathhag Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    Ok guys... I think the footage will be leaked eventually, and I'm talking mainstream. There's a guy that is planning on making a movie about her. This guy wants that footage really bad. We need to search for this very hard to find tape.' Fear-Faces of Death 3.' It's an alternate third version in the 'Faces of Death' series. I'm having trouble finding out much about it. It's my understanding that this particular version came out in China or Japan. When it came to America it was revamped to please the censors. It was remixed back to it's original form, and re released in America. I'm not sure how long the remixed original was available to the American public. It may have been pulled after a short run. We need to find out more about that movie !!!
    Is the exact title Fear-Faces of Death 3?

  7. #907
    DexterKitty Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by imadeathhag View Post
    Is the exact title Fear-Faces of Death 3?
    Yes !!!! It's hard to find anything on it though. I've Googled it every which way but loose!!!

  8. #908
    imadeathhag Guest
    I think I found it: http://tracker.zaerc.com/torrents-details.php?id=13864

    I'm downloading it right now. It may take all night.

  9. #909
    DexterKitty Guest
    Mike..... I don't know his name. I was on a forum reading about CC, and came across his post. His name wasn't on there. He asked if anybody knew how he could get a copy of the footage, and said he's going to make a movie about her life. It was posted late last year. I went to so many forums digging around I can't remember what forum that was on. I bounce around the internet like a ping pong ball when I'm searching for something. I must say... I'm gettin' a little dizzy tonight.

  10. #910
    DexterKitty Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by imadeathhag View Post
    I think I found it: http://tracker.zaerc.com/torrents-details.php?id=13864

    I'm downloading it right now. It may take all night.
    All night? Are you on dial up?

  11. #911
    DexterKitty Guest
    ima.... be careful about downloading that. That's the site I went to, and I don't know if it's safe. I hope you have good virus protection?

  12. #912
    imadeathhag Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    All night? Are you on dial up?
    I have cable, but there no seeders sharing the file right now.

  13. #913
    imadeathhag Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    ima.... be careful about downloading that. That's the site I went to, and I don't know if it's safe. I hope you have good virus protection?
    ok I will.

  14. #914
    DexterKitty Guest
    ima..... I'm a idiot...what's a seeder???

  15. #915
    imadeathhag Guest
    A seeder is someone who downloaded the file and is now sharing it. So the more seeders jump on, the faster the file will download.
    Last edited by imadeathhag; 06-18-2009 at 10:50 PM.

  16. #916
    DexterKitty Guest
    Oh...gotcha !!!! I had no clue what you were talking about LMAO!!!

  17. #917
    DexterKitty Guest
    Guys.... I've been thinking about this. I think if that guy does make a movie about CC there's going to be a lot more interest in this case. It will be cool because more people will learn about her and hopefully have a better understanding of what went wrong. I still think she might think it was neat that after so many years people are still talking about her.

  18. #918
    imadeathhag Guest
    They are a pain. What is the guys name who want to do the movie?

  19. #919
    imadeathhag Guest
    I'm going to bed guys. Got a nasty sinus headache. Until tomorrow fellow death hags!

  20. #920
    annannanna Guest
    It may just be some random guy saying he is making a movie to get a connection to the tape... hey wait!

  21. #921
    octobersky Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    Guys.... I've been thinking about this. I think if that guy does make a movie about CC there's going to be a lot more interest in this case. It will be cool because more people will learn about her and hopefully have a better understanding of what went wrong. I still think she might think it was neat that after so many years people are still talking about her.
    I agree Dex. So few people know who she is.

  22. #922
    DexterKitty Guest
    Octobersky.... I wish we knew more about her too. Not just her suicide either. I wonder what she really was like. I sure wish that when she reached out to people they would have accepted her hand. She may have been a little different but that didn't make her bad. If I had been alive at that time I would have taken her hand, and been a friend to her. I don't understand why people didn't try to help her, and let her into their lives. She must have felt so empty and alone. I think it's really sad that it ended like it did.

  23. #923
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    I think her stance on "blood and guts tv" is kind of true. There is so much violence on tv so much gore and blood is glorified and that is *PART* of what makes new killers and *PART* of what depresses people. I think CC had a point. I think there is so much GOOD we could be reporting on but we tend to dwell on the bad.

    (I say part because I know not just things you see on the news can turn you into a killer/severely depressed person. I know there are personality defects and things too)

    Sounds weird coming from a hag huh?
    Last edited by michellezearing; 06-19-2009 at 03:11 PM. Reason: edited some information out to protect the innocent :D

  24. #924
    DexterKitty Guest
    I agree Michelle. I think CC hit it spot on. Blood and Guts sells. She probably felt like people didn't care about the more upbeat news. They wanted the blood, guts, and trash. I'm guilty of it too though. And I've notice on news websites the most popular stories are the ones on death and destruction. I hope somebody does make a movie about her. I'd be the first one in line to buy a ticket.

  25. #925
    octobersky Guest
    And this has only gotten worse since then - if she thought the Blood and Guts on TV were bad then - she should see it now. Even being a hag - there are days where I can't watch the news or log on here because it simply depresses me. That in the world we live in, people can do such horrid things to each other. It's a double edged sword for me.

    Dex - I often wonder what she was thinking the night before and while she drove to work that day. It seemed like she had a lot of acquaintances and not a lot of close friends.

  26. #926
    DexterKitty Guest
    Ya know.... I think a lot about her. It probably seems strange but I do. I wonder why she was so closed off, and couldn't connect with people? It sounds like she tried to make friends but for some reason people wouldn't accept her. I just wonder why, ya know? IMO...she was a beautiful lady. That being said..... she did seem kind of masculine in a way. I wonder if her inner conflict, and not being accepted was...and this may sound crazy as hell... but humor me anyway.... maybe she was transgendered. Maybe, she was a man trapped in a woman's body. Back in those days being transgendered was totally unacceptable. It just makes me wonder. I think too much....I know.

  27. #927
    Frazzzld Kat Guest
    My thought was maybe she was Bi-polar (I'm not sure I'm spelling it right) because of the extreme mood swings that some people close to her mentioned. I can't help but think that there was something going on with her that wasn't diagnosed or something like that, you know?

  28. #928
    DexterKitty Guest
    Wasn't she on antidepressants at one time? I know she was seeing a shrink for her issues. Her shrink didn't think she was suicidal. Obviously, he was wrong.

  29. #929
    imadeathhag Guest
    It sounds like maybe her shrink was medicating her and not really trying to get to the source of the problem. Maybe I'm wrong.

    I wish they would make a movie on her.

    BTW, the Fear-FOD 3 is still downloading. I'll let you guys know after its done.

  30. #930
    Seagorath Guest
    Chrissy (as Greg calls her) probably tried to fight her demons at some point...she probably made an attempt at silencing her inner conflict. Her mind evidently got fixated on the wrong, twisted path towards self destruction...and in a way that traumatized others in the process. She wanted them to remember her and she obviously had it out for WXLT...dickwads.

    She was probably bold on that day - and had numbed herself into thinking that this was the thing to do and the time to do it.

    She was happy that final day or at least pretended to be...up until her trembling hand reached into that puppet bag.

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    Part of the problem was, IMO, that there still wasn't as much awareness of mental disorders in the '70s that we have today. The signs of were all there for depression, possibly narcissism and at least a borderline personality disorder - maybe bipolar - but I don't think the help was as readily available back then. Her kidding around about blowing herself away on the air would be considered by psychologists a subconscious cry for help. As someone wh has studied this stuff - and has been through it - my heart breaks for her, knowing how she must have felt. Ive always that trouble connecting to people myself, so I can identify with that feeling of not belonging too. But the difference is, I was able to get the help I needed, connect with my soulmate and get married, etc - I think she just lived in the wrong time.

  32. #932
    Frazzzld Kat Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by racingfan View Post
    Part of the problem was, IMO, that there still wasn't as much awareness of mental disorders in the '70s that we have today. The signs of were all there for depression, possibly narcissism and at least a borderline personality disorder - maybe bipolar - but I don't think the help was as readily available back then. Her kidding around about blowing herself away on the air would be considered by psychologists a subconscious cry for help. As someone wh has studied this stuff - and has been through it - my heart breaks for her, knowing how she must have felt. Ive always that trouble connecting to people myself, so I can identify with that feeling of not belonging too. But the difference is, I was able to get the help I needed, connect with my soulmate and get married, etc - I think she just lived in the wrong time.
    That's true they probably did not have the knowledge of or the help available for some of the disorders like they do now. I agree that her mentioning to people about her killing herself was definitely a cry for help, one which her own family was aware of and yet no one was able to help her.

  33. #933
    DexterKitty Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by imadeathhag View Post
    It sounds like maybe her shrink was medicating her and not really trying to get to the source of the problem. Maybe I'm wrong.

    I wish they would make a movie on her.

    BTW, the Fear-FOD 3 is still downloading. I'll let you guys know after its done.
    Wow... still downloading?!!! I think it would be awesome to see a movie about her life.

  34. #934
    DexterKitty Guest
    For some reason her having the gun in her 'bag of puppets' kind of creeps me out. Maybe, it's because a grown up carrying a bag of puppets seems odd. If she was going to do a show with the puppets (which she did do at times) it wouldn't seem so strange. But, she carried it in to the desk with her with her gun in it. I don't know why that freaks me out but it does. Guns and puppets don't mix. Maybe, we could start a band called 'Guns and Puppets' in honor of Christine !!!

    I don't want to seem mean but..... I thought her family seemed uncaring after she killed herself. Her mother was very matter of fact in the interviews she did. She revealed awfully personal stuff about Christine. Stuff like her being a virgin, she never had dates, her missing an ovary. That stuff is personal and her family just spilled their guts about her private life. I would imagine there were a lot of skeletons in The Chubbuck family closet.

  35. #935
    Seagorath Guest
    Heck, Dex...I'd give my left testicle just to see one of her "Puppet Show" episodes. Damn, you'd think the bastards would've at least kept those around..."Christine Chubbuck presents Mr. Winky and Mrs. Pinky"...now that would freagin' rule.

    I wonder if any of the visible "warning signs" were evident in any of her puppet show episodes. Fuck, I wish I could see one of those...

    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    For some reason her having the gun in her 'bag of puppets' kind of creeps me out. Maybe, it's because a grown up carrying a bag of puppets seems odd. If she was going to do a show with the puppets (which she did do at times) it wouldn't seem so strange. But, she carried it in to the desk with her with her gun in it. I don't know why that freaks me out but it does. Guns and puppets don't mix. Maybe, we could start a band called 'Guns and Puppets' in honor of Christine !!!

    I don't want to seem mean but..... I thought her family seemed uncaring after she killed herself. Her mother was very matter of fact in the interviews she did. She revealed awfully personal stuff about Christine. Stuff like her being a virgin, she never had dates, her missing an ovary. That stuff is personal and her family just spilled their guts about her private life. I would imagine there were a lot of skeletons in The Chubbuck family closet.

  36. #936
    DexterKitty Guest
    I wonder what kind of puppets they were? I'd looooove to have seen one of her puppet shows. Too bad they didn't have youtube back then.

  37. #937
    Frazzzld Kat Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    I don't want to seem mean but..... I thought her family seemed uncaring after she killed herself. Her mother was very matter of fact in the interviews she did. She revealed awfully personal stuff about Christine. Stuff like her being a virgin, she never had dates, her missing an ovary. That stuff is personal and her family just spilled their guts about her private life. I would imagine there were a lot of skeletons in The Chubbuck family closet.
    I agree. The stuff her mother released was personal and it really didn't need to be broadcast to the world after Christine was dead. If anyone had the right to broadcast that kind of info it would have been Christine, thats it! It does make you wonder what kind of family structure there was and what living under their roof must have been like.

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    Is it just me or is this kind of contradictory - her family was willing to give out all of these personal details about her life after her suicide, yet they insisted on burying the tape of her last broadcast.

  39. #939
    orionova Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by racingfan View Post
    Part of the problem was, IMO, that there still wasn't as much awareness of mental disorders in the '70s that we have today. The signs of were all there for depression, possibly narcissism and at least a borderline personality disorder - maybe bipolar - but I don't think the help was as readily available back then. Her kidding around about blowing herself away on the air would be considered by psychologists a subconscious cry for help. As someone wh has studied this stuff - and has been through it - my heart breaks for her, knowing how she must have felt. Ive always that trouble connecting to people myself, so I can identify with that feeling of not belonging too. But the difference is, I was able to get the help I needed, connect with my soulmate and get married, etc - I think she just lived in the wrong time.
    I just wanted to clarify something Racingfan wrote. They wrote "at least a borderline personality disorder - maybe bipolar", but Borderline Personality Disorder and Bi-Polar are two separate things. BPD is is a pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image and emotions. People with borderline personality disorder are also usually very impulsive.

    A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

    • Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
    • A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation
    • Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self
    • Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
    • Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior
    • Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)
    • Chronic feelings of emptiness
    • Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
    • Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

    ( http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/sym...lity-disorder/ )

    What I was told was that someone with BPD never learned how to cope with emotional feelings as children, and still react as they did when they were young. Fear of abandonment is a big part of it, with suffers trying to bring someone closer and push them away at the same time, as a sort of 'test' to see if they will leave. When someone does leave, it only reinforces the sufferer that they must be a bad person.

    It is entirely separate from Bi-polar disorder, but they often occur together.

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    Apparently you misunderstood me - I meant she at least had one of those conditions and to me, the borderline PD seemed the most likely given what we know about her, but she may have had both (though without more evidence it's hard to speculate). I wasn't implying that they are the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by orionova View Post
    I just wanted to clarify something Racingfan wrote. They wrote "at least a borderline personality disorder - maybe bipolar", but Borderline Personality Disorder and Bi-Polar are two separate things. BPD is is a pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image and emotions. People with borderline personality disorder are also usually very impulsive.

    A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

    • Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
    • A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation
    • Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self
    • Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
    • Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior
    • Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)
    • Chronic feelings of emptiness
    • Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
    • Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

    ( http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/sym...lity-disorder/ )

    What I was told was that someone with BPD never learned how to cope with emotional feelings as children, and still react as they did when they were young. Fear of abandonment is a big part of it, with suffers trying to bring someone closer and push them away at the same time, as a sort of 'test' to see if they will leave. When someone does leave, it only reinforces the sufferer that they must be a bad person.

    It is entirely separate from Bi-polar disorder, but they often occur together.

  41. #941
    orionova Guest
    Sorry for taking your post the wrong way, racingfan. It's been a very long day.

  42. #942
    DexterKitty Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Frazzzld Kat View Post
    I agree. The stuff her mother released was personal and it really didn't need to be broadcast to the world after Christine was dead. If anyone had the right to broadcast that kind of info it would have been Christine, thats it! It does make you wonder what kind of family structure there was and what living under their roof must have been like.
    Some things should remain private IMO. Her family didn't have to tell of her trials and tribulations. Truth be known... she probably would rather have her death tape shown to the public, than to have every intimate detail about her personal life revealed. I can't imagine my family doing something like that after I died. In a way it sounds like her memorial service was just a few random strangers at the beach. The lady that was there in a bikini was probaly somebody that wander up to see what was going on.

  43. #943
    Orleans Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    Truth be known... she probably would rather have her death tape shown to the public, than to have every intimate detail about her personal life revealed. I can't imagine my family doing something like that after I died.
    I completely agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael555 View Post
    I know, it should've remained private. But...how is Christine going to know...maybe they felt they needed to give an explanation for why Christine did what she did?
    Oh, I think she knows . And she's probably pissed that the few people that have their hands on the video won't release it. Or not...who knows...

  44. #944
    imadeathhag Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by racingfan View Post
    Is it just me or is this kind of contradictory - her family was willing to give out all of these personal details about her life after her suicide, yet they insisted on burying the tape of her last broadcast.

    I was thinking the same thing racingfan.

  45. #945
    imadeathhag Guest
    Found this bio:

    http://www.nndb.com/people/340/000159860/

    Christine Chubbuck


    Born: 24-Aug-1944
    Birthplace: Hudson, OH
    Died: 15-Jul-1974
    Location of death: Sarasota, FL
    Cause of death: Suicide
    Remains: Cremated, Scatter in the Gulf of Mexico

    Gender: Female
    Race or Ethnicity: White
    Sexual orientation: Straight
    Occupation: Journalist
    Nationality: United States
    Executive summary: Newscaster, suicided on live TV
    Sarasota Memorial Hospital
    Mother: Peg
    Brother: Timothy
    Brother: Greg

    High School: Laurel School for Girls, Shaker Heights, OH
    University: Miami University of Ohio
    University: Endicott College, Beverly, MA
    University: BA Broadcasting, Boston University (1965)
    University: New York University

    Suicide Attempt (1970)
    Drug Overdose (1970)
    Shot: Self-Inflicted WXLT-TV, Sarasota, FL (15-Jul-1974)
    Televised Death
    Risk Factors: Depression

  46. #946
    imadeathhag Guest
    Found this post too. I'm on a roll.

    http://darwen.us/southcon/2006/10/in...hone-call.html


    Since you would want more information on Christine, if you contact Bonnie in Records at the Sarasota County Sheriff's Dept. in Sarasota, FL. and ask for the transcripts from Christine's co-workers interviewed by an officer on the morning of July 15, 1974 after Chris shot herself, you would find comments and information that wasn't in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune. It isn't expensive: under $10. for 46 pages. They take check or money order; not credit card (they're not set up for credit or debit cards). It's part of the Freedom of Information Act.

    Yes, Christine was nervous. She was groping for air just before she committed suicide. It's mentioned by a female co-worker/camera-person, "Shay", who is listed in the above transcripts. The videotape, which was the size of a manhole cover in 1974, was given to the family; and the station director/owner. Yes, in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, a woman reporter was having breakfast at home; and saw Christine's long dark hair fly upward after she shot herself from behind her right ear, and saw Christine's head fall forward violently, hitting the desk. Then Christine's torso slowly slid down the desk, and she fell on her right side on the carpeted floor next to her chair. That last part wasn't seen by the viewer, but by the Sheriff's Dept. (mentioned in the transcripts). So the viewer *did* see the quick action, before the camera trained on Christine was cut.

    Christine's brother, Gregory, (the only of the three kids still living -- Timothy, the interior designer, died in the mid-1990s; Peg, the mother, passed of natural causes in mid-1990s; and Chris' dad, George, is in a rest home in Los Angeles), has more recent information on Christine's health at the time of her death; which will be revealed on E! Entertainment.

    I like Chris too; though I never knew her until reading the newspaper in Toledo, Ohio in 1974. She was tall at 5'9" with waist-length raven hair; brilliant, a scuba diver and environmentalist. Christine drove a yellow VW bug and liked Roberta Flack's music. I believe Roberta's 'new' (at that time) 1973 cassette tape was in Christine's tote bag on July 15, 1974.

    I would have liked to see the outside of the former Channel 40, WXLT, on Lawton Drive, too. Were you able to see the original Channel 40 on Lawton Drive, off of Clark Rd? Because the new Channel 40, WWSB, has a new updated state-of-art location in Sarasota. After WXLT was briefly a radio station, it's now a dance club. The upstairs part of Channel 40, WXLT, was the reception area.

  47. #947
    imadeathhag Guest
    Dangit! Sorry.

  48. #948
    Looch Guest
    She had a suicide attempt/drug overdose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionova View Post
    Sorry for taking your post the wrong way, racingfan. It's been a very long day.

    Oh, no worries! I should have worded it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looch View Post
    She had a suicide attempt/drug overdose?
    lol...I don't blame you for not wanting to go through over 1200 posts.

    Here's the simple, abbreviated version...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Chubbuck

    Of course, if you're really interested you're gonna have to start from the beginning of the thread.

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