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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW_2...urtingFeelings

    Tour Inside The Station Nightclub (RARE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWC67 View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW_2...urtingFeelings

    Tour Inside The Station Nightclub (RARE)
    That's a great video

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    I just found this version of the video on Facebook. Is it just me, or is this much clearer than what we usually are able to find??

    https://fb.watch/8i0aJU7IzC/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderAmander View Post
    I just found this version of the video on Facebook. Is it just me, or is this much clearer than what we usually are able to find??

    https://fb.watch/8i0aJU7IzC/
    Commander, that does seem a little more clear, but then the Start Clock caption comes on. That means this is not the original clear news footage of the Butler video which we'd love to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by CWC67 View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW_2...urtingFeelings

    Tour Inside The Station Nightclub (RARE)
    This is taken from one of the videos on the Google Drive. It's from 04-351-PR Evelyn Brito. Note the YouTube video only shows part of this, it is edited to mainly show the inside and outside the club on of all things, comedy night at The Station. I made a reply on that YouTube page to correct a few commenters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dionyzus View Post
    Commander, that does seem a little more clear, but then the Start Clock caption comes on. That means this is not the original clear news footage of the Butler video which we'd love to see.


    This is taken from one of the videos on the Google Drive. It's from 04-351-PR Evelyn Brito. Note the YouTube video only shows part of this, it is edited to mainly show the inside and outside the club on of all things, comedy night at The Station. I made a reply on that YouTube page to correct a few commenters.
    It could well be the verison that i tried to restore

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    That was an incredible video of The Station. I didn't realize that it was so small. So small and so dark. The swinging doors - was that the kitchen?
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    This happened approximately a month ago. I don't know if anyone here has seen this video but I definitely got chills...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wO4Ue3yASzE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelle1966 View Post
    That was an incredible video of The Station. I didn't realize that it was so small. So small and so dark.
    Yeah, the first time I saw that video I was also really surprised at how small it looked. Same with the photos of the WASP pre-show setup from the Google Drive (click for larger version):

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    The thing about the Butler video is that it was mostly shot on a wide angle, which makes everything look smaller and farther away than it actually is, thus giving the impression of being in a larger room/setting than you actually are. When I first saw the Butler video it felt like it could reasonably in a venue meant for many hundreds of people, but after seeing the Evelyn Brito tape and the photo posted above I was quite shocked at how small the venue really looked.

    The dance floor portion in particular looks absolutely tiny. In fact, that picture seems to be taken almost where Butler was when he slowed down and was accused of blocking people. It really reinforces just how small and crowded that space was and how quickly and ferociously the fire would've spread in a room like that. It also shows how close the stage exit is and how accessible it could've been to many people had the bouncers not blocked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subarctican View Post
    Yeah, the first time I saw that video I was also really surprised at how small it looked. Same with the photos of the WASP pre-show setup from the Google Drive (click for larger version):


    The thing about the Butler video is that it was mostly shot on a wide angle, which makes everything look smaller and farther away than it actually is, thus giving the impression of being in a larger room/setting than you actually are. When I first saw the Butler video it felt like it could reasonably in a venue meant for many hundreds of people, but after seeing the Evelyn Brito tape and the photo posted above I was quite shocked at how small the venue really looked.

    The dance floor portion in particular looks absolutely tiny. In fact, that picture seems to be taken almost where Butler was when he slowed down and was accused of blocking people. It really reinforces just how small and crowded that space was and how quickly and ferociously the fire would've spread in a room like that. It also shows how close the stage exit is and how accessible it could've been to many people had the bouncers not blocked it.
    Wow, I've somehow missed this photo in my research on the drive- I can't believe how tiny the dance floor was! You're right, BB's wide angel made everything look much bigger.

    I wanted to share some photos I took when I was up at the Memorial last month. I love the rainbow effect that happened in some of the pics. I also was reading Thomas Marion's stone and admiring the guitar pick on it when a dragonfly landed on it. I couldn't get a pic fast enough, but I could definitely feel... something. It's really beautiful there. <3

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    @CommanderAmander- Wow, gorgeous photos! I love the thick greenery before it dies off for the season.

    @subarctican- Is that a fire extinguisher on the floor behind the man standing in the stage doorway?

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    That does indeed appear to be a fire extinguisher nestled in that doorway. Also, note the lack of foam all over the walls and ceiling - this was the setup for WASP in March 2000, the first major show with the club under the Derderians' control. The foam didn't get installed until three months later.

    Dan Biechele was also the tour manager for WASP on this tour and also set off sparkler pyrotechnics for them, but with no ill effect on this particular night (I wonder if that was a contributing factor to him choosing to use the pyro again on that same stage with Great White?)

    Is anyone able to identify whether he's one of the people on stage in that photo? I don't know whether he had long hair back then like he did on the night of the fire.

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    It looks like there is a part when he is talking that a man comes out of a dead end hallway. I think that those must have been the restrooms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelle1966 View Post
    It looks like there is a part when he is talking that a man comes out of a dead end hallway. I think that those must have been the restrooms?
    Lots of good discussion lately. I'll start with this: yes in the Evelyn Brito tape when the guy is talking next to the crock pots, you get a good view of the restroom hallway, lit up in neon. And Noelle, based on the Station floorplan which is shown here, the swinging doors near the kitchen actually lead to a storage hallway, beyond which is the walk-in cooler. Remember that in the pre-show video Butler and Tracy King staged a walkthrough of a guy carrying a case of beer from the cooler through the double doors, and across the dart room to the back bar.

    bustakita writes: "This happened approximately a month ago. I don't know if anyone here has seen this video but I definitely got chills"
    This was first posted in this thread a few weeks ago by subarctican. A wedding video from Mexico. A lot of similarity to the Station Fire and the Colectiv fire. Thankfully this one ended well, after the flammable decorations fell away from the ceiling and snuffed themselves out. And speaking of subarctican, great find of the WASP setup pic from 2000. The guy in the red shirt looks a little like Biechele, but it's hard to tell.

    Since the Brito tape is new to many of you, I'll point out another one that has good views inside the Station, the 27 minute Emery Vesch tape. It's a strange video of a band who are like a frumpier version of the Friends cast, they like to joke around but are more musical. But thankfully they recorded themselves at the Station in March 2002, showing the interior from many angles. For example there's a good view of the inside of the greenhouse atrium windows at the 3:00 mark, and good views of the foam covering the stage walls around 15:00.
    Here is the link to the video on the Google Drive.

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    Hi everyone! I got access to the video portion of the google drive, is there a portion that has files, court docs, etc? I thought I saw a link for access request for that part but I recall it not working for me…

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    Quote Originally Posted by elnutty View Post
    Hi everyone! I got access to the video portion of the google drive, is there a portion that has files, court docs, etc? I thought I saw a link for access request for that part but I recall it not working for me…
    Here's the full thing: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...6g&usp=sharing

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    Thanks!!!!

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    A brand new special about the fire will be on 10/23 10pm EST on CBS and Paramount. Looks like the Derderians are speaking out. This should be interesting…

    http://a.msn.com/07/en-us/AAPN2Pf?ocid=se

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    Ooh, thanks for sharing, Commander!!

    Pessimistically, it looks like more publicity for the Scott James version of the story.

    How creepy are the brothers in their pastel shirts of baby blue and pale pink? (Duality)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderAmander View Post
    A brand new special about the fire will be on 10/23 10pm EST on CBS and Paramount. Looks like the Derderians are speaking out. This should be interesting…

    http://a.msn.com/07/en-us/AAPN2Pf?ocid=se
    Thanks Commander, I watched this 48 Hours episode tonight, it was certainly interesting. As expected, this was a companion piece to Scott James' book Trial By Fire. James himself appears for interview segments, as well as the survivor he focused on in his book, Phil Barr. And as RL mentioned, the Derderian brothers take a central role. Thankfully Linda Fisher also appears, and says she believes the brothers have never adequately taken responsibility for their role in what happened. So it wasn't as one-sided as James' book.

    Conspicuously absent was any mention of the headcount, which was a focal point in James' book in an attempt to exonerate the Derderians. I was glad to hear Barr say near the beginning how crowded it was in the club, giving a more accurate picture of the overcrowding and its role in the tragedy that night. The program did focus significant time on the foam and fire marshal Dennis Larocque's failure to test or even notice it. They also mentioned a document that was new to me. Barry Warner, the noise-complaining neighbor who sold the foam to the Derderians, sent an anonymous fax to investigators a few months after the fire, later identifying himself as the sender. The rambling note implicated the owner of his company American Foam for shady business practices. A key allegation it makes is that American Foam "is well aware of the dangers of poly urethane foam" but they "did not want to lose a sale by telling the truth." This 8-page fax is included in a Barry Warner witness statement on the Google Drive for those who want to read it.

    One more neat thing was they made a 3D rendering of the floor plan of the Station, and it looked pretty accurate. It was nice to see, and they used it to show the escape paths of Phil Barr and Linda Fisher.

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    Uh-huh'
    Look @ post 1339 in this thread and it still sickens me whenever I get a delivery from them.

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    RodentLady- absolutely creepy. They give me the heebie jeebies!

    Dion- I watched it myself today. The thing that stuck out to me most was when Jeff Derderian commented that he got out the front door before the rush of people. He then proceeded to say how he was trying to help people get out by telling them to leave. That just tells me that he bailed as soon as he saw the severity of the situation. He went out that front door before anyone else had a chance to even get there. Clearly, it was every man for himself that night as far as he’s concerned.

    CWC67- I would imagine seeing anything from American Foam would freak you out. Do you guys do a lot of business with them?

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    I use internet only. Thankfully, the CBS website put up the episode a couple hours after airing: https://www.cbs.com/shows/48_hours/
    I had to disable AdBlock, which gave the viewing experience a very 2003 feel. Television commercials!!! Such an anachronism.

    Better than I thought it would be! The most extreme pieces of disinformation from Scott James were not used and the focus was on the foam. I remember reading about Barry Warner's 'Fax Gate' some years ago.

    The best thing from the brothers was Jeff's admission that "the door would go back up." Thereby declaring to millions of us that he knew it was dangerous and wrong.

    Neither brother wore a wedding band. Either they never have (I'll take a look at old pics) or they have both divorced.
    26:18- Mike's large keloid neck scar at his December 2003 arraignment has always intrigued me. Had he tried to hang himself or cut his throat? Someone who was a customer of his (he was an insurance agent among other things) told me that he was blatantly suicidal at one point. I do NOT recall the timing, though.

    Jody King "got a call." Not "his wife called him." His description of Tracy coming out of the club many times must mean that he used the bar door.

    It was nice to see Linda Fisher Saran. However, I was a bit horrified when I looked her up to see that she lives directly across from a church where my parents took me in the 70s and 80s. Many years later, my best friend (who never attended the church) told me that she and other 4/5 year old little girls who lived near the church were molested by a priest who lived in the rectory for several months. Gross. Rhode Island is a very small state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderAmander View Post
    RodentLady- absolutely creepy. They give me the heebie jeebies!

    CWC67- I would imagine seeing anything from American Foam would freak you out. Do you guys do a lot of business with them?
    Yes, we use their foam to pack our boxes.

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    The best thing from the brothers was Jeff's admission that "the door would go back up." Thereby declaring to millions of us that he knew it was dangerous and wrong.
    RodentLady, you are absolutely right- he threw that little tidbit out there in defense of their actions too! Do they really not see anything wrong with these things? Them "speaking out" did nothing but confirm what scumbags they are. I agree that it was nice to hear from Linda too... and it was great to hear Patrick Lynch's opinion of them as well, he could barely hide his disgust.

    Also, JD's hair was quite... orange

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