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    Lt. Frank - I'm glad you're out of hibernation--and are already pinpointing survivor Sam Miller!
    Miller was lucky, huh? Stage manager Paul Vanner just randomly told him to follow him, and so Vanner and then Miller got out the kitchen door right as the first big wave of black smoke hit. And Miller's friend, Jeff Ward, had been hanging onto Miller's shirt the whole time, too, so he escaped as well. He is a cook at a nearby Denny's, and I hope to talk to him someday.

    Oh, and good Dave B. shot. Funny that he's wearing yet another Patriots cap. It's only his eyebrows here that give proof of the ordeal he went through in 2003.


    Now for a correction to my earlier post (on the last page) about John Fairbairn.
    It turns out that John Fairbairn thought I was asking about the shirt he was WEARING in this 2013 photo. But no, I was referring to the T-shirt that he's holding, which was a Poison concert shirt he had on under a long-sleeved denim shirt on the night of the fire.
    He'd seen Poison in '99 in Providence; Great White had also been on the bill.




    And speaking of shirts....here is Geno Goguen in a still from an interview that night. He still laughs about all the caution show then to not show his whole shirt. See, Geno works on Harley-Davidson's professionally, and this is what his shirt said in its entirety:

    "I'm a Lesbian trapped in this Big Fat Ugly Biker's Body."

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    Just got back from the memorial.
    Had the whole place to myself.
    How do I post photos?

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    CWC—Confession: I only post photos now when my techy wife is around to assist me. She does a quick cleanup on photoshop for starters; then goes to the site Imgur. All I know then is that you post them over “Advanced” on the FAD site, as opposed to “Quick Reply.”
    There are some instructions on FAD, too.

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    RodentLady-You’re so good with dates. Going nuts trying to find the birthdate for Dennis Smith (D) of Pawtucket. He was 36. And I believe he had the middle initial “J.” Have the other 99.

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    @billoween: I did not locate Dennis on "sortedbyname." There was no way to narrow down the search. I combed through hundreds of entries about various Dennis Smiths, but there were countless pages left to go. The site claims to have ways to search more specifically, but they don't work.

    @CWC67: The simple way to upload small photos from your device is to click on the "Insert Image" icon during a Quick Reply. It's the picture of a tree in a frame. Choose "From computer," then "Browse," then "Upload."

    Larger, more detailed photos will need the process Bill described.

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    A bit of luck for us today, Bill. I found him!!!!


    "SMITH, DENNIS J. was born 25 November 1966, received Social Security number 039-44-**00 (indicating Rhode Island) and, Death Master File says, died 21 February 2003
    Source: Death Master File (public domain). Check Archives.com for DENNIS J SMITH. ($)"


    His entry is 25th up from the bottom on this looooong page:
    https://sortedbyname.com/letter_s/s205545.html

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    CWC - congrats, your Memorial photos came out loud and clear.

    RodentLady - Fantastic. Good work! Now I can provide us with a thorough list going from oldest to youngest. Will put that up tomorrow.

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    Yeah, I tried to upload here but they were coming out sideways, not coming out, etc. so I just decided to link them.
    The last photo at that link if you look at the left most utility pole you can barely see the rear of a fire engine as is went flying by the Cowesett Inn, sirens blaring.
    (talk about an eerie, chilling feeling)

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    Hi Gang--

    I've been debating with myself about even posting these, but ultimately it seems that the truth is fair game and we, here, have shared everything else, so....

    Using JXG's cleaned-up version of Butler--and going slo-mo--I couldn't help but notice what looks like human figures at several points in the fire.
    These first two occur during Butler's first pass at the stage door.






    The next three are from Butler's second pass by the stage door. Does anyone else see a figure, possibly crawling?








    This last one is from the front door.


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    I don't understand the perspective in the final photo, billoween. It looks like a creature from a scary film crouching atop the frame of a small window. But there is no small window there. Is that dark, perfect right angle underneath the figure actually the top left corner of the front door?

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    You can definitely see people in the front door during that segment of the video, but I really don't think there's anyone visible from the back entrance, just the dance of smoke and flames. As far as I recall, only one body was found on the dance floor itself and none by the stage exit, and by the time Butler went back there conditions had been lethal for quite some time in that part of the club, so very unlikely that anyone was still alive back there and then crawled their way onto the dance floor that late in the fire.

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    I agree with you guys, basically. I just felt like I should show these so folks could make of them what they will. Yes, it’s a very subjective exercise.
    And, opps, the last shot, at the front was actually from Subarctican’s cable news link on page #40.

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    The 100: Oldest to Youngest

    Dale Latulippe - 46 - 6/16/56
    Don Roderiques - 46 - 10/8/56
    Melvin Gerfin Jr. - 46 - 2/14/57

    Ben Suffoletto - 43 - 3/9/59
    Linda Suffoletto - 43 - 3/27/59

    William Cartwright - 42 - 10/21/60
    Lisa D'Andrea - 42 - 11/28/60

    Ryan Morin - 41 - 6/8/61
    Scott Griffith - 41 - 11/3/61
    Karla Bagtaz - 41 - 1/1/62

    Lori Durante - 40 - 4/12/62
    Steve Blom - 40 - 5/4/62
    Tom Medeiros - 40 - 5/17/62
    Kelly Vieira - 40 - 8/31/62
    Michael Gonsalves - 40 - 9/17/62
    Walter Rich - 40 - 9/27/62

    Victor Stark - 39 - 3/2/63
    Mitchell Shubert - 39 - 5/1/63
    Carl Howarth - 39 - 5/27/63
    Tracy King - 39 - 6/15/63
    Steve Mancini - 39 - 6/20/63

    Kristine Carbone - 38 - 3/12/64
    Tom Barnett - 38 - 4/16/64
    Jason Morton - 38 - 6/26/64
    Freddy Crisostomi - 38 - 9/5/64
    Carlos Pimentel Sr. - 38 - 11/20/64
    Sarah Telgarsky - 38 - 1/21/65

    Richard Cabral Jr. - 37 - 3/17/65
    Kevin Dunn - 37 - 3/25/65
    Daniel Frederickson - 37 - 4/13/65
    James Gooden Jr. - 37 - 6/10/65
    Judy Manzo - 37 - 10/2/65
    Sam Miceli Jr. - 37 - 10/6/65
    Jude Henault - 37 - 11/4/65
    Christine DiRienzo - 37 - 11/29/65
    Kristen McQuarrie - 37 - 1/13/66
    Kevin Anderson - 37 - 2/16/66

    William Bonardi - 36 - 8/25/66
    Dennis Smith - 36 - 11/25/66
    Matt Darby - 36 - 12/14/66

    Skott Greene - 35 - 2/22/67
    Charline Gingras-Fick - 35 - 3/5/67
    Laurie Beauchaine - 35 - 5/10/67
    Joe Rossi - 35 - 8/11/67

    Keith Mancini - 34 - 7/31/68
    Chris Prouty - 34 - 10/7/68

    Pam Gruttadauria - 33 - 6/1/69
    Tina Ayer - 33 - 6/15/69
    Louis Alves - 33 - 10/1/69
    Beth Mosczynski - 33 - 10/20/69
    Tracey Romanoff - 33 - 1/13/70
    Jeff Martin - 33 - 12/9/69
    Matthew Pickett - 33 - 2/10/70

    Derek Johnson - 32 - 3/29/70
    Rachael Florio-DePietro - 32 - 8/2/70
    Eric Hyer - 32 - 9/20/70
    Jeff Rader - 32 - 11/5/70
    Michael Fresolo - 32 - 12/5/70
    Laura Gillett - 32 - 12/21/70
    Mary Baker - 32 - 1/26/71

    Ed Corbett Jr. - 31 - 5/24/71
    Robert Croteau - 31 - 7/13/71
    Ty Longley - 31 - 9/4/71
    Michael Cordier - 31 - 10/9/71
    Michael Hoogasian - 31 - 2/13/72

    Kevin Washburn - 30 - 3/14/72
    Michael Kulz - 30 - 5/1/72
    Everett T. Woodmansee - 30 - 6/8/72
    Chris Arruda - 30 - 9/8/72
    Theresa Rakoski - 30 - 10/19/72
    Tom Fleming - 30 - 11/9/72
    Dina DeMaio - 30 - 2/20/73

    Donna Mitchell - 29 - 4/13/73
    Robert Young - 29 - 7/5/73
    Ed Ervanian - 29 - 8/21/73
    Keith Lapierre - 29 - 10/10/73
    Tammy Mattera-Housa - 29 - 10/13/73
    Stacie Angers - 29 - 10/14/73
    Robert Reisner - 29 - 11/20/73

    Shawn Sweet - 28 - 6/24/74
    Andrea Mancini - 28 - 7/28/74
    Abbie Hoisington - 28 - 11/5/74

    Lisa Kelly - 27 - 10/10/75
    Bonnie Hamelin - 27 - 10/13/75
    Tom Marion - 27 - 1/17/76

    Sandy Hoogasian - 26 - 6/3/76
    Katherine O'Donnell - 26 - 11/27/76

    Bridget Sanetti - 25 - 12/24/77
    Jason Sylvester Jr. - 25 - 1/9/78

    Rebecca Shaw - 24 - 3/5/78

    John Longiaru - 23 - 6/21/79

    Andrew Hoban - 22 - 7/27/80
    Derek Gray - 22 - 11/4/80
    Mark Fontaine - 22 - 2/12/81

    James Gahan - 21 - 4/15/81
    Steve Libera - 21 - 5/10/81
    Eugene Avilez - 21 - 8/16/81
    Leigh Ann Moreau - 21 - 8/25/81

    Albert DiBonaventura - 18 - 11/26/84
    Nick O'Neill - 18 - 1/28/85

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    Thanks, Bill. I found the moment in the video where the last photo came from. Thankfully, it is above either the front door frame or the first bar window, so there can't be anyone that high up. The final side door screenshot does resemble a crawling figure, but in the moving video nothing like that is seen.

    Excellent list! Really helps to lay it all out there. I counted 98 names. Do Michael Cordier and Jeffrey Martin need to be added?

    -------------------------------

    I was disappointed to discover that "RIvoters.com" has been disappeared off the internet. I loved that as a resource to look up most Rhode Islanders. It now redirects to sortedbyname. According to a 2012 article, both sites AND similar voter sites for eight other states are all owned by the same man.

    Rivoters is on archive.org, but sadly there are only empty shell pages listing the alphabetical groupings of last names. When clicked, they lead to error messages. The actual entries were not saved.

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    Some months ago, I stumbled across a youtube comment claiming to be by a relative of a young woman who died in the fire. The woman's boyfriend survived. They were accompanied that night by a male cousin (his fate was not clear.) What leapt off the page at me was that the commenter said the victim was "three months pregnant."

    I have not heard that phrase in relation to the fire since 2003. Some troll called into CNN the next day and said he watched his girlfriend who was "three months pregnant" walk off toward the bathrooms in the club, never to be seen again. The names and story did not match with any real accounts.

    The youtube commenter sounded legitimate. Her/his single comment got very little attention. The person was not boasting and was not spamming the same info all over the page making sure it would be seen. I've never seen it on any other SNF video.

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    Thanks RodentLady - Good catch! (I was tired that night.). Added both.

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    Some months ago, I stumbled across a youtube comment claiming to be by a relative of a young woman who died in the fire. The woman's boyfriend survived. They were accompanied that night by a male cousin (his fate was not clear.) What leapt off the page at me was that the commenter said the victim was "three months pregnant."

    I have not heard that phrase in relation to the fire since 2003. Some troll called into CNN the next day and said he watched his girlfriend who was "three months pregnant" walk off toward the bathrooms in the club, never to be seen again. The names and story did not match with any real accounts.

    The youtube commenter sounded legitimate. Her/his single comment got very little attention. The person was not boasting and was not spamming the same info all over the page making sure it would be seen. I've never seen it on any other SNF video.
    RL, do you remember which video you saw that on? That's very interesting...

    Lt. Frank- I'm so happy to see you back and active on this thread! I hope all is well.

    Billoween- I can totally see what you were saying about some of those pics, esp. the one where it looks like someone is crawling by the rear door. I really hope that's not the case.

    Also, that's a great list you put together of the victims by age. It's amazing to me that I'm now at the age of many of the victims, even older than some who once seemed so old to me at the time. It's sad.

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    I was expecting this to happen, glad it finally did. The REELZ Now app now has The Guest List available for streaming anytime. You don't have to watch at a certain time.

    If you're new to the app, just sign in with your cable/satellite/streaming login. For example I used my DirecTV Stream login.

    It may be listed under the alternate title America's Deadliest Rock Concert: The Guest List. Unfortunately I think it's still limited to US viewers.

    Enjoy, for those who haven't seen it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dionyzus View Post
    I was expecting this to happen, glad it finally did. The REELZ Now app now has The Guest List available for streaming anytime. You don't have to watch at a certain time.

    If you're new to the app, just sign in with your cable/satellite/streaming login. For example I used my DirecTV Stream login.

    It may be listed under the alternate title America's Deadliest Rock Concert: The Guest List. Unfortunately I think it's still limited to US viewers.

    Enjoy, for those who haven't seen it yet.
    Thank you! My only problem is we don't have cable, so I'm going to have to wait for it to be available for download

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    @CommanderAmander: I'm waiting for "The Guest List" to show up on a site like Soap2Day or freemoviesfull, but it's so obscure that I don't think it's going to happen. I spend almost nothing on entertainment. David Bellino said he hopes to release much more footage on a special edition DVD in the future. I'm disillusioned, I don't think I'd buy it.

    Regarding the commenter who claims one of the deceased women was pregnant, I have no idea which video that was. Sorry. I considered sharing it in the first few days, but decided not to. Now so much time has passed that it's just a memory.

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    The following is from CNN on 2/21/03; these are excerpts from the transcript beginning at 6:02 am (ET)--just 7 hours after the fire.

    The speakers are:
    Jason Carroll - West Warwick correspondent
    Carol Costello - in-studio news anchor

    CARROLL: Well, I want to start out with a little bit of updated information for you, Carol, and that is the town manager here in West Warwick has confirmed now that the number of dead has now risen to 26. At least 26 people dead as a result of that tragic fire.....
    There was actually a photographer from a local station inside the club. He was shooting a feature story on the band, and was shooting as this whole thing unveiled.....

    COSTELLO: Jason, stay with me--I want to show the pictures once again from inside that nightclub taken by that local photographer--to explain to people what that pyrotechnics display entailed. Apparently, they were like torches, giant torches set up behind the band.

    And one pyrotechnics expert described it this way: They're sort of like, you know, when kids have sparklers on the Fourth of July, that's sort of like how they work. And every so often, there'll be a burst of sparks, and on one of the bursts of sparks, the sparks, of course, ignited the curtain and the ceiling of the club.

    The question is, is why they--were they so close to the back wall and the back wall had something flammable on it, and what was behind there? Some witnesses said there was some sort of foam behind there, which, of course, would help with the sound, to break up the sound waves in the band. But usually, that stuff is not flammable.

    CARROLL: Well, in terms of the pyrotechnics, it's very much like those pyrotechnics that you would use on the Fourth of July, but normally in your front yard, not inside a home or a garage, whatever the case may be, because you have all of these sparks that come off of that.

    The foam that was used--of course, the fire marshal is here, as you say. The foaming that was used is used for sound, you know, so you can get to try to--so you can try to get the best sort of sound when a band is playing on stage.

    But it was obvious from that videotape there that whatever substance was ignited, whether it be the foam, whether it be the curtains, it ignited very quickly. Witnesses say that it spread extremely quickly.

    COSTELLO: Yes, within three minutes.

    (a little later)
    COSTELLO: ...and Great White guitarist Mark Kendall is unaccounted for.....



    MY NOTES (in hindsight):

    --We can only wish that the final tally of the dead had stopped at 26.

    --Brian Butler was, of course, a videographer or cameraman for a Providence TV station--not a "photographer." And he was not shooting for a feature story about Great White. Butler, in fact, had no idea of what his assignment was that night until he actually walked into the club and talked with Jeff Derderian.

    --The gerbs are best described as upside-down rockets, not as torches or sparklers.

    --There were actually 2 layers of foam over much of the back stage wall. In 1996, Howard Julian--he owned The Station before the Derderians bought it in March of 2000--screwed 18" x 18" blocks of white polyethylene foam to the drummers' alcove and some of the back stage walls. It was later determined that he'd found these white foam blocks in a dumpster.

    --Foams are used on recording studio walls to cut down on various vibrations and extraneous noises. But, unless you were versed in The Station's long history of attracting noise complaints, wouldn't you have also figured that it must have been installed to make bands simply sound better? I mean how could you have ever guessed it's true purpose?: to block or muffle sound from escaping the club.

    --Of course it was Ty Longley, guitarist for Great White, who was missing--not guitarist and Great White co-founder Mark Kendall. Kendall had actually heard this same live broadcast while sitting on the tour bus (moved to Cowesett Ave.), where the band was being temporarily detained pending their individual police interviews. He immediately called his mother in California to reassure her that he was alive.

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    Hi all. Just a quick hiya. Hope all are well. I am here at the memorial this evening. It still 91° but shade is plenty in here. Just wanted to check on the flags i placed. They held up well but Mr. Fredrickson is missing. I will replace it pronto. Otherwise it looks very nice, park serivces doing great job ! Take care. Jimmy D

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    Hi guys. Hi Amanda and Jimmy Cigar. Hope your summers are going okay.

    Whenever I visit The Station Memorial Park, I'm always trying to picture where exactly the nightclub once stood.

    The Memorial is set up very symmetrically, of course, which is fitting to its purpose and no doubt most pleasing to the eye. To have highlighted the club's old footprint would have called for a whole different design scheme.

    But luckily, with all the information about The Station we now have available, it isn't too difficult to figure out where everything once was. I used these resources for the visuals that follow:
    1.) The RIAG materials.
    2.) The NIST report.
    3.) The Butler tapes.
    4.) The Best and McLaughlin tapes.
    5.) FAD discussions.
    6.) Observations made by survivors and club regulars at the site.
    7.) Measurements I made myself at the Memorial using a contractor's spool-type tape measure



    The police did most of the measuring at the site. This is their diagram showing that it was 132'-5" from Cowesett Ave. to the threshold of the front doors.



    Okay, these Memorial steps are 8' across. The width of the Station's front corridor was 6'-7". The red line shows where I think the original doorway was; where we saw so many piled up. The blue line shows where the infamous railing would have been located.



    This is far from perfect, but it's close. (consider it an experiment, for now)



    Another experiment, using an old aerial of the Station.

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    Hi

    I am new here! I am not sure why this tragedy interests me so much - I was about 30 when it happened and am in the UK so although I do remember it being shown on the national news, I really don't remember the circumstances that led to the high death toll. I heard the story again via a channel called 'Fascinating Horror' on YT about 2 years ago and have since read all posts in this forum - twice (!) and have watched the video countless times - although I have actually not seen the 'pile up' as I think I would find this too distressing.

    I have a question! I am sure this would have been answered a long time ago but I really haven't got the patience to read through the posts again so here goes and I hope someone can help...I remember reading that people had an affinity with certain club patrons..mine is with two guys, they are at the bar and can be seen on the pre-fire walk around video, just after the bouncer walks past Bridget Sanetti and her group (I think!)...one guy (on the left) is taller with a dark hair, a beard and moustache and has his hand on his friend's shoulder on the right who is shorter with swept back brown hair and dressed in a navy blue top. They are both older looking and I wonder if they made it out OK? There is a guy later on in the 'aftermath' in the car park who looks like the shorter guy but I could be wrong. I don't know why they stick out for me, maybe because they just look like really jovial guys. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

    Finally, I would like to say that these posts are absolutely amazing and there is so much hard work that goes into identifying patrons and keeping these threads going. I wish I had new information to add!! Keep up the good work everyone and I will keep following xx

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    https://www.findagrave.com/virtual-c.../360785?page=1 a virtual cemetery with all of the victims listed you can leave messages and such for them I posted this a long time ago not sure if it was in this part two thread or the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly110 View Post
    I have a question! I am sure this would have been answered a long time ago but I really haven't got the patience to read through the posts again so here goes and I hope someone can help...I remember reading that people had an affinity with certain club patrons..mine is with two guys, they are at the bar and can be seen on the pre-fire walk around video, just after the bouncer walks past Bridget Sanetti and her group (I think!)...one guy (on the left) is taller with a dark hair, a beard and moustache and has his hand on his friend's shoulder on the right who is shorter with swept back brown hair and dressed in a navy blue top. They are both older looking and I wonder if they made it out OK? There is a guy later on in the 'aftermath' in the car park who looks like the shorter guy but I could be wrong. I don't know why they stick out for me, maybe because they just look like really jovial guys. Any information would be greatly appreciated!
    The shorter guy is Harold Panciera. He saved another clubgoer and can be seen later in the video carrying that man and shouting "I need a medic!" The man with the beard was identified as Dave Malagrino in a post from 1/27/2014 in the old thread. Malagrino was unfortunately caught in the front door pileup. He was pulled out by firefighter Tim Delaney but was hospitalized with second degree burns.

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    pkstracy - thanks for reposting the find-a-grave link.

    Kelly110 - thanks for climbing on board.

    wineandkerosene - howdy. I'm going to add some info to what you said.




    Dave Malagrino said that he left the main bar and went 3/4's of the way to the stage just prior to "Desert Moon."
    "Once I got to the front door, the floor collapsed," Dave told the RISP. "My legs and feet were hanging inside the club and the rest of me was outside." He said that there were 7 or 8 bodies piled up on top of him. "There was a girl on top of me. She had fire going good all over."
    (This is the front corridor, as recreated in a police warehouse in Cranston.)



    The start of the crawlspace that ran along the front of The Station. The front corridor collapsed into it in those spots shown above.



    Dave Malagrino and Bill Long were jovial roommates, reportedly, while at RI Hospital.



    The zombie-like Bill Long from the night of the fire.



    Harold P. had to go 6 feet into the kitchen to finally get his hands on the burned Robert Luxton, who was stranded in the dart room. Luxton was approximately 6'-2" and 225 lbs. Harold's friend Peter Vocaturea helped hoist him up onto Harold's shoulder.

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    Harold P. had to go 6 feet into the kitchen to finally get his hands on the burned Robert Luxton, who was stranded in the dart room. Luxton was approximately 6'-2" and 225 lbs. Harold's friend Peter Vocaturea helped hoist him up onto Harold's shoulder.
    Harold is a goddamn hero.

    Also, interesting about the crawl space, I don't remember ever hearing about that before... you can clearly see the spot on the recreated tile floor though. As if things weren't scary enough, they had to worry about falling through the floor too.

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    Flammable acoustic foam. It has not been learned yet…….sad

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