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    I thought she was kind of sexy when I saw her on Rehab. Has anyone seen the porno video she made? Is it any good? Do we get nice, clear closeup shots of her naughties? Does she work it cowgirl in the video? How's the lighting?

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    Wow....has anyone seen or heard this video? OMG.....made me cry.

    It's embedded in the CNN article below.....SO EERIE, especially the conversation she had with her trusted friend about it:

    http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02...vention-video/
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    I don't know anything about Mindy's mother. Is she another Virgie Arthur? I may be totally off base, but I believe if the children had been home with Mindy, she would have killed them just to keep her mom from getting them. I've read that there have been years of animosity between Mindy and her mom. It's sad that the boys will likely be seperated since they have different dads. IMO, the oldest boy will likely end up with his dad and the baby will likely end up with Mindy's mom. Mindy has struggled for years and I guess the custody issues along with the death of her boyfriend were the straws that finally broke the camel's back. I feel bad for her and hope she finds peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries65 View Post
    ITA....he should just STFU....nice dude, real nice. Asshole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyt View Post
    I don't understand people who aren't sympathetic towards suicide. It's not like people just randomly decide to end their lives on a beautiful sunny day. I am not pro-suicide but I have been there and it's not easy. I have more sympathy.

    Mindy killing his dog was symbolic.
    Quote Originally Posted by harlequin_clown View Post
    I don't understand it either. Depression is CRIPPLING, and some days are so dark and hopeless, you just can't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Obviously some worse than others. I won't hijack this thread, but I do know a thing or 2 of this road, having been suffering severe clinical depression for over 10 years, some days just getting out of bed is an act of God.

    My heart truly breaks for her, and I really hope she finally has that peace she had been desperately looking for.
    Quote Originally Posted by findadeathaddict View Post
    And CRIPPLING is an understatement.......it is so hard for me sometimes I can barely function. Nice to see an understanding perspective on this topic. :-)
    So, by that standard of thinking we should feel sympathy for Adam Lanza because he was depressed (at least he had physical issues that led to his mental problems)-- Sorry, but I don't think so.

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    Dean Cain can go fuck himself. Why would he even comment on a relationship that was a decade and a half in the past? I guess his ass is perfect and he had no blame whatsoever for the failure of their relationship? It was all that mean bully Mindy's fault. If he had an ounce of decency in his entire body, he would have kept his shitty comments to himself.

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    Looks like it was inevitable - and what kind of "friend" records a phone conversation anyway?

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...-david-wilson/

    Also, the National Enquirer this week will have the bloody porch pics! I saw the cover on my FB feed!

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    Here we go. Not oogly just some blood and the pic is small.



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    Doesn't seem like a lot of blood for a shotgun blast.

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    Boy that phone call, repeat yourself much,

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    Was the dog killed on the porch?

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    The human mind can be the darkest place on earth, I know. Lost my wife to cancer, then our daughter to a car wreck. House,cars,everything gone. One thing left, my little dog. Living on the street I found a shot gun shell, days later a pipe it would fit in. I made a half ass gun. It had one purpose. I was ready to go & looked at my little dog. Her loving eyes begged me not to go. She saved my life. I got help. Too bad Mindy didn't look into the wise eyes of that dog. I'm ok now, as ok as I'm going to be anyway. If your so low you want to end it all, for God's sake make a call, walk up to someone & tell them you need some help, call 911 whatever you have to do, just don't give in. Just remember, someone, somewhere, needs you. Don't let them down.

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    Dean Cain should not have said anything, at all. What was the point?

    I read Mindy's father had her committed to rehab after her boyfriends death. I guess she was able to leave after a few days? A shame she was left alone in her misery, but I guess no one at all could help, I guess when you get to a point you just want left alone. I think losing her kids was her breaking point. Did she use a shotgun or handgun? You would have thought her family would have had all guns removed from her house, I guess not.

    Cynful, that song/video is sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    The human mind can be the darkest place on earth, I know. Lost my wife to cancer, then our daughter to a car wreck. House,cars,everything gone. One thing left, my little dog. Living on the street I found a shot gun shell, days later a pipe it would fit in. I made a half ass gun. It had one purpose. I was ready to go & looked at my little dog. Her loving eyes begged me not to go. She saved my life. I got help. Too bad Mindy didn't look into the wise eyes of that dog. I'm ok now, as ok as I'm going to be anyway. If your so low you want to end it all, for God's sake make a call, walk up to someone & tell them you need some help, call 911 whatever you have to do, just don't give in. Just remember, someone, somewhere, needs you. Don't let them down.
    Glad you're here Saddletramp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    The human mind can be the darkest place on earth, I know. Lost my wife to cancer, then our daughter to a car wreck. House,cars,everything gone. One thing left, my little dog. Living on the street I found a shot gun shell, days later a pipe it would fit in. I made a half ass gun. It had one purpose. I was ready to go & looked at my little dog. Her loving eyes begged me not to go. She saved my life. I got help. Too bad Mindy didn't look into the wise eyes of that dog. I'm ok now, as ok as I'm going to be anyway. If your so low you want to end it all, for God's sake make a call, walk up to someone & tell them you need some help, call 911 whatever you have to do, just don't give in. Just remember, someone, somewhere, needs you. Don't let them down.
    Welcome to the forum Saddletramp- always nice to meet a fellow Houstonian. Thank you so much for sharing such personal aspects of your life (may your wife and daughter RIP) and thoughtful introspection into the human mind and its potential to be the darkest place on earth- truer words were never spoken. Your speaking about how your dog literally saved your life touched my heart so deeply, because many years ago, mine did exactly the same thing when I found myself in what seemed to be an inescapable black hole. The power of a beloved pet's unconditional love and its influence can never be underestimated- as you said, I too wish that Mindy would have "looked into the wise eyes of that dog".....so glad that you did and were inspired by that to reach out for help. The world is a much better place with you in it and again, welcome to the forum....we are delighted to have you here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVSTORM View Post
    I think she was afraid the dog would go to her mother and she didnt want her mother anywhere near her, her kids, or her dog. MIndy has had problerms all her life., SHe turned to an older man at 15 and her dad was no gem and her mother was a real pain in the ass according to Mindy. She tried to kill herself several times. Her suicide attempts started when she was very young so there had to be something going on within the family for her to do this. Her father and step mother were staying at her home and the day after they turned her in for sleeping all day and drinking all night the courts of course just took their word for it , they grabbed her kids away and when they found her a day later there was rotten food all over the house and dog shit so I guess her lovely father and step mother just stayed there and never helped lift a finger? I think she had had her fill of life. Her mother kept trying to get her kids, her father stopped by long enough to get her kids taken away, her fiance killed himself and I guess the last month of her life was about all she could take. This would be enough for a stable person to think suicide was the way to go and I can see why she did it.Her mother now want custody of both of her kids and doesn;t want the father of the oldest to have hos own child. He has straigtened out and I think maybe her mother should gracefully bail out and leave him alone, after all she sure didnt give MIndy what she seemed to need in her life why let her go after those little kids again?
    I didn't know any of that. Thanks for the dirt, NOV.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiotBoots View Post
    Doesn't seem like a lot of blood for a shotgun blast.
    Yeah, but we also can't see the whole picture from that - blood on a porch ceiling, the top of the chair cushion or the larger surrounding area for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries65 View Post
    Looks like it was inevitable - and what kind of "friend" records a phone conversation anyway?
    "Mindy and Danno had just finished working on a music video together publicizing suicide-prevention before she took her own life."

    Well, that should be an effective video.

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    I wonder how much more this guy is going to release about her:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...d-visited-her/

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    No wonder the poor woman gave up. Her boyfriend died, she had a bad relationship with her mother, her dad is the one who called Child Services and got her boys taken away before he hauled ass and let them be put into foster care, and now her "friend" can't release her personal stuff fast enough. What a jerk for recording their conversations and releasing things that she confided in him.

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    Dude - I hope my BFF doesn't record our phone calls... Damn....

    It does give us a sneak peak into her state of mind - she sounds pretty out of it and "slurry"...

    I hate to say it, but LeAnne Rimes is on this same track if she don't get help....
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    Funeral services here in Fort Myers Tuesday, but private of course. No word on burial or cremation but my camera is itching to get out of it's bag...

    Nothing much happens here so this is interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flowergrrl View Post
    So, by that standard of thinking we should feel sympathy for Adam Lanza because he was depressed (at least he had physical issues that led to his mental problems)-- Sorry, but I don't think so.
    Hi Flowergrrl-

    The point I think myself and the other posters were trying to make is that depression causes people to do things they would not do if they were in their right minds. Adam Lanza killed other people and himself. I myself have been suicidal and would have only killed myself, not take tons of others with me. I can't speak for the other posters you quoted but I imagine they feel the same. Depression is a dark place to be in.

    Thanks for listenting/reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by findadeathaddict View Post
    Hi Flowergrrl-

    The point I think myself and the other posters were trying to make is that depression causes people to do things they would not do if they were in their right minds. Adam Lanza killed other people and himself. I myself have been suicidal and would have only killed myself, not take tons of others with me. I can't speak for the other posters you quoted but I imagine they feel the same. Depression is a dark place to be in.

    Thanks for listenting/reading.
    I do feel the same way, and everyone's illness and severity of it, is their VERY OWN hell to be in, it isn't fair to lump us all into the same pool so to speak. Whether you only blow yourself, others, animals or all the above, no it's NOT right, it's NEVER OK or "understandable" when these tragedies happen, but often times no one pays attention to the red flags, or signs when the depression/mania is in its infancy, or the person is told to "rise above it" "suck it up" or even as far as being called drama queen, theatrical, attention seeker, etc. I shit you not, it is a REAL tried and true illness that MUST be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endsleigh03 View Post
    Funeral services here in Fort Myers Tuesday, but private of course. No word on burial or cremation but my camera is itching to get out of it's bag...

    Nothing much happens here so this is interesting.
    I got the impression that she was estranged from most of her family although I thought I read that it was her Dad that had her committed to rehab, I could be wrong. I wonder if he is considered next of kin for decisions for funeral arrangements and burial.

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    Great posts Harlequin and Flowergrrl. I think if anything Mindy's suicide has shown that many of us here have had to deal with some dark thoughts at some time in our lives due to depression. I know I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harlequin_clown View Post
    I do feel the same way, and everyone's illness and severity of it, is their VERY OWN hell to be in, it isn't fair to lump us all into the same pool so to speak. Whether you only blow yourself, others, animals or all the above, no it's NOT right, it's NEVER OK or "understandable" when these tragedies happen, but often times no one pays attention to the red flags, or signs when the depression/mania is in its infancy, or the person is told to "rise above it" "suck it up" or even as far as being called drama queen, theatrical, attention seeker, etc. I shit you not, it is a REAL tried and true illness that MUST be taken seriously.
    Thank you!! Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harlequin_clown View Post
    I do feel the same way, and everyone's illness and severity of it, is their VERY OWN hell to be in, it isn't fair to lump us all into the same pool so to speak. Whether you only blow yourself, others, animals or all the above, no it's NOT right, it's NEVER OK or "understandable" when these tragedies happen, but often times no one pays attention to the red flags, or signs when the depression/mania is in its infancy, or the person is told to "rise above it" "suck it up" or even as far as being called drama queen, theatrical, attention seeker, etc. I shit you not, it is a REAL tried and true illness that MUST be taken seriously.
    VERY well said......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayou Queen View Post
    I got the impression that she was estranged from most of her family although I thought I read that it was her Dad that had her committed to rehab, I could be wrong. I wonder if he is considered next of kin for decisions for funeral arrangements and burial.
    Her relationship with her mom was acid-y for a long time fighting over the oldest boy. Who knows if anything ever was mended.

    Your post made me wonder if Mindy had anything legal on paper, like POA, a will, etc.

    Whoever is in charge, they are bringing her back to her hometown.

    Whole thing is depressing and sad.

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    I'm a death hag, don't have to hide, or care about what others think about me. Let's play the insane game. Your a well ajusted educated person, having worked for a nice life. One single part of your happy life is in the hospital. Being re assured their just fine you go home, & watch some TV in your favorite chair. Knowing you will be back in the morning. Doze off. Phone rings. A sad voice says your Mate is gone. Something inside you snaps. Like going to a store, buying the food and when you push the buggy out the door, the car is gone. You blink, & your sitting in an alley being told to move on. You don't know where you are, nothing makes sense anymore. Someone kind calls some agency to help you. The world you worked so hard for is gone. You still don't understand what happened. But you move on. You get tiny bits of memorys back. The lawyers, & bankers pat themselves on the back for another stellar auction that happened months ago. If that don't scare the piss out of you it should, It happened to me. I understand that Mindy did that. Ask any Shrink that is worth a damn and they will tell you they don't know how the mind works. Too much took her down. Damn shame about her dog tho.
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    I read the People article this week they did on her. Apparently she put the gun in her mouth when she pulled the trigger. I bet that is brain bits scattered around the porch that is in the Enquirer photo. I also read that article. Apparently she hated Wilson's dog - which was always mean to her. Probably the reason why she shot it, before herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries65 View Post
    I read the People article this week they did on her. Apparently she put the gun in her mouth when she pulled the trigger. I bet that is brain bits scattered around the porch that is in the Enquirer photo. I also read that article. Apparently she hated Wilson's dog - which was always mean to her. Probably the reason why she shot it, before herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries65 View Post
    I read the People article this week they did on her. Apparently she put the gun in her mouth when she pulled the trigger. I bet that is brain bits scattered around the porch that is in the Enquirer photo. I also read that article. Apparently she hated Wilson's dog - which was always mean to her. Probably the reason why she shot it, before herself.
    Bad dog! Blammo!

    Yeah, that's rational.

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    Women rarely shoot themselves in the head due to vanity reasons. I guess Mindy meant business this time and wanted to make sure she did it right. I've thought about her everyday since she died and it bothers me that she was in so much despair that she couldn't see past her pain. I feel awful for her little boys, but she likely thought they would be better off without her. I hope she found peace. Saddletramp, I think you have likely summed up everything surrounding Mindy, even though you were describing yourself. I'm sorry for all you have endured and I'm glad you joined the forum.

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    Mammy, same. Guess my "suicide insurance" theory was off, if she happened to hate that dog anyway (I hadn't heard anything about that), but I agree on the bottom line that she wanted to "do it right" this time (as opposed to her previous failed attempts). She must have been in a dark, dark place, not easy to handle after years of chaos and pain.

    It's far too early, and in poor taste, but given all these circumstances (a porch, a gun, a dawg...and death hag sick humor), really, I'm the first to allude to a country song? Generally I'm "nice", and I intend no disrespect, but I'm shocked that our members haven't written a few tunes yet...
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    We thought we'd at least hold off until she is buried. Maybe slightly less karma that way. Lol

    I'm not sure what to think of the motive for killing the dog. Hell, if she was going to kill herself, it's not like she would have to put up with him if she really hated him. I read that there were other dogs at the scene that were unharmed.

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    Family decided to open the services to the public.

    Starting Right.About.Now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammy View Post
    We thought we'd at least hold off until she is buried. Maybe slightly less karma that way. Lol

    I'm not sure what to think of the motive for killing the dog. Hell, if she was going to kill herself, it's not like she would have to put up with him if she really hated him. I read that there were other dogs at the scene that were unharmed.
    I think it was symbolic. "You left me and now I am taking the dog with me and we can be together."
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    She put him out like the burnin' end of a midnight cigarette
    She broke his heart, he spent his whole life tryin' to forget
    We watched him drink his pain away a little at a time
    But he never could get drunk enough to get her off his mind
    Until the night

    He put that bottle to his head and pulled the trigger
    And finally drank away her memory
    Life is short, but this time it was bigger
    Than the strength he had to get up off his knees
    We found him with his face down in the pillow
    With a note that said, 'I'll love her till I die.'
    And when we buried him beneath the willow
    The angels sang a whiskey lullaby

    The rumors flew but nobody knew how much she blamed herself
    For years and years she tried to hide the whiskey on her breath
    She finally drank her pain away a little at a time
    But she never could get drunk enough to get him off her mind
    Until the night

    She put that bottle to her head and pulled the trigger
    And finally drank away his memory
    Life is short, but this time it was bigger
    Than the strength she had to get up off her knees
    We found her with her face down in the pillow
    Clinging to his picture for dear life
    We laid her next to him beneath the willow
    While the angels sang a whiskey lullaby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    I'm a death hag, don't have to hide, or care about what others think about me. Let's play the insane game. Your a well ajusted educated person, having worked for a nice life. One single part of your happy life is in the hospital. Being re assured their just fine you go home, & watch some TV in your favorite chair. Knowing you will be back in the morning. Doze off. Phone rings. A sad voice says your Mate is gone. Something inside you snaps. Like going to a store, buying the food and when you push the buggy out the door, the car is gone. You blink, & your sitting in an alley being told to move on. You don't know where you are, nothing makes sense anymore. Someone kind calls some agency to help you. The world you worked so hard for is gone. You still don't understand what happened. But you move on. You get tiny bits of memorys back. The lawyers, & bankers pat themselves on the back for another stellar auction that happened months ago. If that don't scare the piss out of you it should, It happened to me. I understand that Mindy did that. Ask any Shrink that is worth a damn and they will tell you they don't know how the mind works. Too much took her down. Damn shame about her dog tho.
    Life changes on a dime. Four years ago Thursday, mine did...ultimately with a phone call; although the world started to flip upside down the night before. My husband committed suicide...by shooting himself. Saddletramp, I quoted you because the change you describe, well, in short, says it all. I was dealing with a fairly stressful situation, but one that I had dealt with before and was sure we could handle. The phone call I remember with crystal clarity...but the rest of the night and for awhile after that is snapshots. As Saddletramp so eloquently put it, "the world you worked for so hard is gone." I don't know that anyone who hasn't gone through it themselves can understand the absolute incredible sense of aloneness that you feel. Now...put that on top of the issues that Mindy McCready was already dealing with (even those that seem to have been self-induced).

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    Quote Originally Posted by endsleigh03 View Post
    Family decided to open the services to the public.

    Starting Right.About.Now.
    Thanks, ends. This means there'll be pics, no doubt. Open casket, I'm thinking not bloody likely. Although I did go to an open casket funeral once and the deceased did the same thing as Mindy. They humpty dumptied him back together again and even up close, you could not tell. The family told me it was his real face too. Not one of those wax head things. He looked good except for all the make-up they put on him. Oh how he would've hated that, lol.

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    http://www.nashville.com/news/nashvi...orial-pictures

    Funeral pics

    (the painting of her they used makes her look horribly crosseyed!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FooFoo Shnickens View Post
    http://www.nashville.com/news/nashvi...orial-pictures

    Funeral pics

    (the painting of her they used makes her look horribly crosseyed!)
    It does! And the lack of captions, comments music or sound makes the slideshow a rather odd viewing experience. You'd think they'd at least add this is so-and-so to some of the pics and play one of her songs for it.

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    I wonder if any country music stars showed up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by findadeathaddict View Post
    I wonder if any country music stars showed up?
    Can you tell from the slideshow? I can't. Even my best guess on the identity of blonde woman at the podium is that it's a sister or perhaps her mother as there is a resemblance there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeChick View Post
    Can you tell from the slideshow? I can't. Even my best guess on the identity of blonde woman at the podium is that it's a sister or perhaps her mother as there is a resemblance there.
    I tried but the pictures were so far away it was hard to identify anyone famous. I agree with the blonde.....sister I assumed.

    I wonder if she even kept in contact or had any relationships with country music stars over the last few years, considering her lifestyle they probably stayed away.

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    I wonder if the casket was opened at some point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeChick View Post
    Can you tell from the slideshow? I can't. Even my best guess on the identity of blonde woman at the podium is that it's a sister or perhaps her mother as there is a resemblance there.
    Woman with long blonde hair and glasses at podium is Mindys mom. That's her in most of the pics.

    People magazine reported there were about 400 people there but when the local crews were snapping and filming during service there were large gaps in the pews. Locally it was reported only about 100 people attended. Confusing. And no reports of anyone famous (that I heard of anyway)
    They were doing a memorial in Nashville, if anyone famous was going it would prob be to that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by endsleigh03 View Post
    Woman with long blonde hair and glasses at podium is Mindys mom. That's her in most of the pics.

    People magazine reported there were about 400 people there but when the local crews were snapping and filming during service there were large gaps in the pews. Locally it was reported only about 100 people attended. Confusing. And no reports of anyone famous (that I heard of anyway)
    They were doing a memorial in Nashville, if anyone famous was going it would prob be to that one.
    Thanks ends

    And yeah, I bet you're right about stars being more likely to show up at the Nashville service.

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    Saw a photo of Mindy's mother with her head down and praying after the service. The seats next to her were empty. Maybe she was setting next to pallbearers who had already left their seats to carry her out. Sad.

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