Opinion noted.Originally Posted by Flowergrrl
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Opinion noted.
They wouldn't dare, would they?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...de-school.html
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Unfortunately, yes, they revel in these tragedies.
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Sadly yes, they would.
Hopefully the bikers will be there to meet them
This would be the cherry on top for those a-holes.
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The State Police were just on tv and they said that they will not tolerate anyone bothering the families of the victims. In addition, they mentioned that they didn't know when school would be back in session. They said that it is up in the air right now with the superintendent.
I hope that they give these poor families a break and don't send anyone back until January.
The reason a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
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I'm really shocked that nobody has gone and "lit them up" yet. There's a special place in hell for haters like that.
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Signed it. Thanks for the link!
Cindy
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You bet! In the ten minutes since I signed there have been 1000 more signatures!
They're against abortion... Yet, support some murderous heathen who killed a bunch of innocent kids?!!
To celebrate?... What is wrong with those people?!!
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Boo Obama??
I'm also glad I have not shared my opinion on guns. This is a very irritable thread right now.
I think if Westboro shows up for this one it might just send people over the edge. I can't believe a parent of a soldier hasn't taken them out yet. I just don't understand all the hate and attention seeking.
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Even mentioning Westboro (sorry, it will be the last time I do it) is doing the same thing mentioned earlier. If nobody gave them any attention, any news coverage, they would go away.
They aren't going away.
Thanks Kate, I also signed it, tweeted it, plastered it on FB, and emailed it to some friends
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Great! I did the same!Thanks Kate, I also signed it, tweeted it, plastered it on FB, and emailed it to some friends
The Westboro nuts...as repugnant, disgusting, and hateful as they are, the Constitution preserves their right to be repugnant and disgusting and hateful...as long as they do not violate the Constitutional rights of others. I sympathize with the actions of anti-Westboro bikers and "angel sheets", and what they do is protected by the Constitution also.
There is no provision for thought police in the Constitution.
Last edited by Bidmor; 12-16-2012 at 01:38 PM.
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Signed and forwarded to friends. Thanks for the link.
The reason a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
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That's fine and obviously your right as an American, but I don't know that his visit to mourn dead children is the time to be making a point. I see the connection, the irony, whatever it would be called, etc.. but in this instance I think it would be more disrespectful to the parents whose children were lost in this particular tragedy. There's a time and a place, I guess is what I'm getting at. But again, we are a free country with freedom of speech. But that doesn't mean it's always the best time to express it. My opinion, of course.
http://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-su...155145415.html
They'll be going to a vacant school in a neighboring location.
I wonder if it was a child of yours shot down in cold blood that you would have the same views?? I think our UK laws suck big time also so you have no argument with me there and I was merely making a point I did not attack anyone from the site I was speaking in general.
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Out of respect for the families I would not boo but IMO anyone that sends our sons and daughters off to get slaughtered has no business addressing this issue.That's fine and obviously your right as an American, but I don't know that his visit to mourn dead children is the time to be making a point. I see the connection, the irony, whatever it would be called, etc.. but in this instance I think it would be more disrespectful to the parents whose children were lost in this particular tragedy. There's a time and a place, I guess is what I'm getting at. But again, we are a free country with freedom of speech. But that doesn't mean it's always the best time to express it. My opinion, of course.
My sister and I can't get over this interviewing of the children. Why are the parents allowing it?
These children just went though hell? And It could have been any one of them.
I heard that the Principal actually threw on the PA system in order to give the other teachers and children a chance
to get away!
This Principal is one brave woman and smart to boot. May she rest in peace!
Last edited by MoonRabbit; 12-16-2012 at 02:15 PM.
Wasn't the war well underway when Obama took office?
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ITA. This is not a political stop. He's there for the families. I would expect and appreciate that from any President.That's fine and obviously your right as an American, but I don't know that his visit to mourn dead children is the time to be making a point. I see the connection, the irony, whatever it would be called, etc.. but in this instance I think it would be more disrespectful to the parents whose children were lost in this particular tragedy. There's a time and a place, I guess is what I'm getting at. But again, we are a free country with freedom of speech. But that doesn't mean it's always the best time to express it. My opinion, of course.
Cindy
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I totally see your point, but the one difference is that the military is voluntary and these children were simply going to kindergarten. I'm not debating or saying the wars we are involved in are correct, just pointing that out.
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Yes, I have no idea how that absolves Obama for the last 4 years though. I would hold the same opinion if Bush was going to address the issue.
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That point is certainly not one to argue when it seems we may agree with the larger point.
Yes, I would have the same views. The shooter did not legally obtain the guns. The only people who even obey those "gun free zone" laws are law abiding citizens. We need to find a way to get the guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. It took me a month I think to get my permit to carry, I had to write a letter as to why I wanted one.. I'd bet everything I own that I could go to a bad area here in town, find a gang member with a gun, and they won't have a permit and the gun will not be registered to them. Just sayin'
There's no magic cure at all, contrary to some popular beliefs. Disorders such as narcissism are often developed in early childhood and usually die with the host.
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Won't Obama's prescence at this memorial turn it into more of a media circus?
More cameras, more reporters, Secret Service, on and on.
I can understand his wanting to be there; but maybe these folks just need to know that the rest of us grieve for and with them, and that they can grieve without being in the public eye.
A faulty hypothesis forming:
A German scientist using Iranian physics and French mathematics.
That's the propaganda arm of the commiecrat party for ya. What they OUGHT to be bitching about is hospitalizing lunatics instead of letting them roam among the rest of us. There are enough controls on guns. Our rights have already been abridged enough. The left might as well have placed targets on these kids, with their hard on about "gun free zones." Hey if a couple of teachers had guns with them, they might have mitigated this tragedy.
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Thank you! probably a publicity stunt on his part to make himself look better.
While it sounds like an ideal plan to house "lunatics," it's unbelievably expensive in the long term.
In the 1960's and 1970's, when institutionalizing was more common, it was difficult to identify anyone who would become violent from those who were on the "weird" side, but didn't pose a danger to anyone and who probably never would. As a result, more people were confined than necessary. Costs rose as a result. Unfortunately, it all comes back to money, and de-institutionalization began taking place in the 1980's, because it was more "cost effective" to have them seen as outpatients at community clinics. It was decided that spending all that money to lock up so many people, when only a tiny portion of them would ever be violent, but many results turned out to be disastrous. This mass shooting, to name one.
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I just saw on CNN that one of the kids that didn't get killed from one of those classroom wanted to get into the service and see the President but couldn't because it was already full. Wtf is that about? They should be the second people allowed into a prayer service for their dead classmates and teachers after their families. Joe Lieberman certainly doesn't need to be there.
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I would have thought the kid would have got to meet the President.. That's sad they couldn't even get in.
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Yeah; probably; but it could still be an altruistic demonstration of our national support for these folks in an moment of endless pain.
I'd let them grieve within their own community and families; not some national forum.
A faulty hypothesis forming:
A German scientist using Iranian physics and French mathematics.
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I didn’t know your name,
I never saw your face,
I never got to see you smile,
or get to watch you play.
I never got to walk with you
or watch you board the bus,
I never got to kiss your head
and tell you that you’re loved.
Take peace now, innocent one,
worry not yourself,
For it is in the arms of a nation,
your love can now be felt.
We may never understand the evil,
which struck your life today,
But know that through remembrance,
you’re never far away.
‘Tis your turn now, our little ones,
To smile down from above,
Kiss mommy, kiss daddy,
Tell them it’s okay,
and they are forever loved.
Now in peaceful rest, may you take,
your place amongst the stars.
Your memory never forgotten,
always safe, kept in our hearts.
It is with a solemn duty,
to you we make this vow,
To find the evil you met today,
And with vengeance strike it down.
~~To the memory of all 27 of the innocent lives lost today at Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, with special dedication to the children. A nation mourns your loss, our thoughts and prayers to your families and your community. May you all rest in peace.
Last edited by Dangitbawb; 12-16-2012 at 09:55 PM.
By my troth, I care not; a man can die but once; we owe God a death.... He that dies this year is quit for the next.
--William Shakespeare!
The fuck it is. How about dealing with the real issue. Which is allowing lunatics to roam free instead of hospitalizing them. Cold day in hell before Americans hand over their guns to the govt. People are ignoring that this school, like so many other places, is a gun free zone. Demanded by commicrats. You might as well have put a target on the front door. Wait, you did!
From what I've read so far, this kid would not have been targeted as mentally ill. Autistic children have learning disabilities, NOT mental illness, and it has never been associated with violence! Asberger's syndrome is associated with a certain remoteness from people (think Sheldon from "Big Bang theory - he's supposed to have it) NOT violence. There was no indication he would have been institutionalized even in the past. Unless he had a mental illness along with his autism, autism alone is NOT a mental illness. It makes kids "different" enough that former classmates would say he was "different" or "off". That does not mean "violent", as a matter of fact when pressed they say he was not violent. I'm getting really upset at the implication that "autism" equals "mental illness" arising on my facebook page and elsewhere.
Cut all foreign aid. Get the un out and us out of the un. Cut the lunatics in govt.'s pay and bennies. Kill all the alphabet agencies. Plenty of money to run mental hospitals.
But nooooo, commiecrats want to use EVERY time something like this happens as an end run to confiscating our guns.
And holder and ovomit, being co-conspirators to mass murder really ought to keep their fucking mouths shut.
Thank you for sharing that!
That brought a tear to my eye. Thank you. <3
You know, we can point fingers at many factors as possible, but at the end of the day, 27 people are still dead, 20 of them kids whose lives should have been beginning instead of ending. The first of the funerals is tomorrow. I'm sure many did not envision their holiday season to end up like this. I feel horrible for them.
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Thank you and well put. Just to add something. People with Asperger's are typically victims of bad treatment and sometimes violence at a young age because they are different than others. This tends to make them shy away from confrontation and violence. Relieve pain and not cause it.
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What a surprise that a thread about brutally murdered children turns into political rants. Not
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As a parent of a sixteen-year-old son diagnosed with Asperger's, I truly appreciate your posts to create understanding of this condition. My son cried yesterday over the shootings, and today my husband and I had to sit him down and tell him there might be a backlash against those with Asperger's as there have been some reports that the shooter had Asperger's. More tears.
Asperger's is not typically linked with violence. In our experience with our son, just the opposite. Here's an article that addressed Asperger's and violence. In particular, this quote from the article really mirrors our experience:
"It is a very human experience that when you cannot explain how you are feeling, that you will then act out in frustration, anger, and aggression. But, it is not consistent with the diagnosis that you would plan and execute a crime like we saw here."
http://health.usnews.com/health-news...olence-experts
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Thank you Mammy.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/...html?hpt=hp_c2
Tributes to the victims. If it's been posted before I apologise.
I too hope the media walk away from the Asperger's Syndrome angle. It had nothing to do with what this man did. Children and adults who have this are not violent and should not be grouped in with this man.
Last edited by SheeBee; 12-16-2012 at 05:34 PM. Reason: added Asperger comment
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Yes, I think most of us here just want time to grieve. Maybe we didn't personally know them, but we feel their unfathomable pain. I'm not prone to showing emotions and yet I well up every time I think about those little precious babies. And the families that have to bury those innocent victims, I doubt they're even thinking about gun control at the moment. Anger, sadness, and real tears. Not handling this well at all...
By my troth, I care not; a man can die but once; we owe God a death.... He that dies this year is quit for the next.
--William Shakespeare!
Thanks for the link, SheeBee. Such innocent little babies. I'll never understand tragedies like this.
I hope the media will stop showing info and pics of the killer, and focus more on the victims.
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