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    Billy Wayne Cope- Child murderer or not?

    This story was on ID a few nights ago, I remember seeing it years ago as well, and was wondering if anyone else was familiar with it? Amanda Cope, 12 years-old, was attacked in the middle of the night, strangled, raped and murdered in her bedroom, while the rest of her family was asleep. Her father, upon finding her, makes a seemingly odd 911 call to report her death.

    An odd 911 call and no forced entry into the house... Cope is under suspicion for the murder of his daughter. They grill him. Over and over, to a count of more than 600 times, he claims he is innocent. He fails a polygraph test. He is refused to see his lawyer. Finally, he admits to the crime. They have him write out his confession... Several times. He is then brought to the scene of the crime, where he reenacts a horrible act of torture and murder.

    1. The tests for the DNA found on Amanda come back as belonging to someone else. Cope, nor his lawyer, are informed of this information.

    2. When they arrive at the house, there is evidence that a person could easily enter the house, and without anyone knowing.

    3. After so many written confessions, the police still coerce Cope's wife into wearing a wire and trying to get another confession out of him.

    4. The match to the DNA is a man, James Sanders, who has committed several crimes in the area around the same time as Amanda's death.

    5. A woman, Amy Simmons, whom Cope became close and wrote to, has letters from him in which he confesses... Evidence will later point to the letters as being likely forgeries of his initial written confessions to the police. She is under suspicion of forgery and being investigated for the death of an elderly person under her care... None of this is brought up at the trial.

    6. An expert in forced confessions, after only a few minutes of testifying, is told to leave the courtroom by the judge. The judge then renders his testimony as inadmissible.

    7. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't... How many times has a frantic 911 caller been the actual murderer? So if you call, trying to remain calm, you're automatically considered a suspect. When, in all likelihood, if you call and are frantic... You have a better chance at being the killer.

    8. There is evidence that proves Sanders and Cope have never had contact with each other. Once again, this was not admitted at trial.

    When the trial begins, Cope and Sanders go on trial at the same time. The prosecutor tries to portray Cope as heartless, and admits the 911 call as evidence. He also claims you can't convict one man, Sanders, without convicting the other, Cope.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38060491...crime_reports/

    http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Innoc...-93143179.html

    And to top it all off, the other odd thing... His wife died unexpectedly while under, you guessed it... Amy's care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flowergrrl View Post
    This story was on ID a few nights ago, I remember seeing it years ago as well, and was wondering if anyone else was familiar with it? Amanda Cope, 12 years-old, was attacked in the middle of the night, strangled, raped and murdered in her bedroom, while the rest of her family was asleep. Her father, upon finding her, makes a seemingly odd 911 call to report her death.

    An odd 911 call and no forced entry into the house... Cope is under suspicion for the murder of his daughter. They grill him. Over and over, to a count of more than 600 times, he claims he is innocent. He fails a polygraph test. He is refused to see his lawyer. Finally, he admits to the crime. They have him write out his confession... Several times. He is then brought to the scene of the crime, where he reenacts a horrible act of torture and murder.

    1. The tests for the DNA found on Amanda come back as belonging to someone else. Cope, nor his lawyer, are informed of this information.

    2. When they arrive at the house, there is evidence that a person could easily enter the house, and without anyone knowing.

    3. After so many written confessions, the police still coerce Cope's wife into wearing a wire and trying to get another confession out of him.

    4. The match to the DNA is a man, James Sanders, who has committed several crimes in the area around the same time as Amanda's death.

    5. A woman, Amy Simmons, whom Cope became close and wrote to, has letters from him in which he confesses... Evidence will later point to the letters as being likely forgeries of his initial written confessions to the police. She is under suspicion of forgery and being investigated for the death of an elderly person under her care... None of this is brought up at the trial.

    6. An expert in forced confessions, after only a few minutes of testifying, is told to leave the courtroom by the judge. The judge then renders his testimony as inadmissible.

    7. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't... How many times has a frantic 911 caller been the actual murderer? So if you call, trying to remain calm, you're automatically considered a suspect. When, in all likelihood, if you call and are frantic... You have a better chance at being the killer.

    8. There is evidence that proves Sanders and Cope have never had contact with each other. Once again, this was not admitted at trial.

    When the trial begins, Cope and Sanders go on trial at the same time. The prosecutor tries to portray Cope as heartless, and admits the 911 call as evidence. He also claims you can't convict one man, Sanders, without convicting the other, Cope.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38060491...crime_reports/

    http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Innoc...-93143179.html

    And to top it all off, the other odd thing... His wife died unexpectedly while under, you guessed it... Amy's care.
    I haven't looked at the links yet but I haven't seen this one. I have seen ID before but... this story sounds F'ed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frazzzld Kat View Post
    I haven't looked at the links yet but I haven't seen this one. I have seen ID before but... this story sounds F'ed up.
    It seems to me like some people were "in on it"... He wasn't even given a possibility of parole in his sentencing.

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    Word of warning I read once online if you are in this possition have your wife call. apparently it's more acceptable for a woman to be hysterical for 911 calls. Or law enforcement is less inclined to look as a woman as being guilty in these cases. nd if law enforcement doea look at the wife women get lighter sentences than men. he deck is stacked by gender.

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    Crazy story. So many people involved.

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    From what you say Flowergrrl it sounds like Billy got a raw deal. It seems to happen far too often that the police are convinced that they have the guilty party and regardless of the evidence they are going to convict him.

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    I read a whole link on this last night and the Dateline episode happens to be on Discovery ID right now. I don't think the guy did it. Some of the stuff is just stupid. They didn't even care that he didn't know the guy he supposedly let in to his house to molest and kill his daughter at 2am?? And they only found the other guys DNA, didn't fingerprint anything, etc... this guy got screwed.


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    Law enforcement sometimes seem to just want to nail someone, anyone to get a conviction. In this case they just took the most convenient 'suspect' and ran with it. Scary what can happen isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karma View Post
    Law enforcement sometimes seem to just want to nail someone, anyone to get a conviction. In this case they just took the most convenient 'suspect' and ran with it. Scary what can happen isn't it?
    Yes, a huge FAIL on the justice systems part. He should have been allowed a lawyer when he asked for one, etc. How was the jury able to agree 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that this guy was guilty is beyond me.

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    I saw this story also, and I have to say I was very dissapointed at the way this was handled. Its scary to think this sort of thing could happen to anyone, I wasnt convinced of his guilt.

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    This sounds like a "Law and Order" episode....ripped from today's headlines!

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    Prosecutor's website with their side of the story: http://www.billywaynecope.com/

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    I didn't really see anything there that changes my mind. According to the defense when they were able to read the actual polygraph tests Cope actually had not been deceptive with his answers.

    I understand the sticking point that he confessed, 4 times. That was after making over 650 denials. I will never get why anyone would confess something, especially something that terrible, that he never did. But it happens. And none of his confessions matched and most importantly none of them mentioned this other guy, whose DNA was the only DNA found on the girls body. So there were the confessions and the fact that the prosecution claimed there was no sign of forced entry. However there was evidence that even when the house was locked up tight one of their doors was easily opened with a credit card.


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    "cold as a cucumber." Just seems off, but I don't think he did it. I just think he had a poor bedside manner as a father.
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    billy wayne cope --

    actually it was mentioned in the trial that there were deaths of patients under the care of amy .. they actually stated that there were 2 .. one at eden gardens and one at the ebenezer house .. what should have been mentioned and wasnt allowed was the crime spree by james sanders around the cope house and around the same time .. james sanders wrote a letter as well and in it it said they didnt know each other, but police say they did .. they didnt have any solid evidence that there was a connection between billy wayne cope and james sanders, but there was a post made on datelines website from jessica cope saying that they did know each other .. she said that they would meet up at the store and talk like 2 school girls .. she also lead everyone to believe by that post that her father was not a good man at all .. she in fact doesnt even call him 'dad' anymore .. she says he doesnt deseve to be called that .. im not saying it was actually jessica cope after all it is the internet and nobody really knows who is sitting behind the screen and keyboard .. at my house we all believe that amy killed mary sue cope .. we still dont know if billy wayne is guilty or not .. we do know that james sanders deserves to be in jail .. but until they have solid evidence that billy wayne helped kill her they should not be doing this to him .. its been 10 years now and they still have not found anything ..

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    It is an interesting case in the least, but there is evidence that doesn't make Billy look completely innocent. The 911 call was a right away hint that dad was acting strange. He found his daughter, but told 911 he didn't want to do CPR. With him never having a real medical background, he should have wanted to do CPR on his little girl, especially if he didn't claim to know her time of death. She was cold, yes, but that doesn't always mean that they can't be saved either. Although, many react differently he had absolutely no emotion, that is very weird after finding your 12 year old in that manner. Then while EMS and first responders were in the house attending to Amanda, Billy was calm and collected typing on his computer, while his two daughters sat crying on the couch. He repeatedly asked during his police interviews that if he confessed to the crime what help could they give him, and he also stated before any mention of DNA test, that Amanda would have his DNA under her nails due to her scratching his back the night prior, that's not exactly something an innocent person would be concerned about enough to bring it up themselves. Amanda did in fact, have his DNA under her nails. He also had pornography in his home he threw out prior to the authorities arriving, and clearing his computers temporary files from any past pornography he had viewed, which neither is a crime. However he must have known without a doubt Amanda had been sexually assaulted to throw out anything sex related just after calling 911. Amanda had trauma to both her front and rear area, and before law enforcement told him that, in one of his confessions he stated he inserted a broom into her rear, how could he have know of the trauma to that area on his own, since her pants were only rolled down in the front. Nearly all of Amanda's abdominal organs were found to be hemorrhaged, with the lack of bruising, it lines up to what Billy said about straddling her, he was over 400 pounds at the time of her death, Sanders was only a medium built. Her bedroom door was also fixed that it would be hard to enter, Billy said in one of his confessions he did this so his little girls didn't walk to find Amanda. If Sanders was in it alone, then why would he fix the doors that way, he would have been getting out as quickly as possible. Also, this wasn't really Sanders profile concerning past crimes, since he had assaulted grown women, not children, and also had attempted to rob during his prior break ins. There was nothing missing from the Cope's home. Cope denied knowing Sanders, but was later known as to have had conversations with him prior to the incident. Amanda's autopsy showed that she was sexually abused over a period of time as well. Billy had a sex toy hidden under the mattress because his wife said she didn't want them in the house. What was his purpose for a female sex toy if he were not using it with his wife. He later admitted using it on Amanda, before they even knew she had been abused sexually over a period of time. With that knowledge, they can't rule out that it wasn't him and Sanders that had been assaulting her for some time. Much of his confession does match up with the findings in the case. Some don't, but he knew way to much just to have found her, admitting those things didn't work out well for him. I hope that he isn't in jail for a crime he didn't do, but if I were on that jury, there is enough information, and occurrences regarding Billy, and his behavior that I would vote guilty.

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    Huh. Never heard of it, but sounds like an interesting story. My first thoughts are:

    600 TIMES? He said he didn't do it 600 TIMES? My god. I'm no fan of police coerced confessions and this one sounds like bullshit. It just does. Can you even, okay, imagine asking someone something 600 times, I mean ffs... How long was this interrogation? Maybe I shouldn't read it, this crap pisses me off. Well damn, I don't even know the story and already I'm pissed off!

    Also, why do people sound more guilty when we use all three of their names? "Billy Wayne Cope" -- seriously, it just screams at ya. Like it belongs on Crime Library already.

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    Wayne is the serial killer middle name so he must be guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by findadeathaddict View Post
    Prosecutor's website with their side of the story: http://www.billywaynecope.com/
    Under "Defense" there's a single letter written by Cope's attorney to some professor. And he tells this professor that "the polygraph test is the most important evidence in this case besides the DNA." (The letter is headed "Re: Polygraph.") He then asks if the professor knows any polygraph experts who can help him.

    No, seriously?

    Well, polygraph test results aren't even admissible in court. He states that his client had "one, possibly three" 'zanax' (sic) tablets" and "fell asleep during the polygraph."


    And since when is a polygraph even CLOSE to DNA regarding evidence in a case? DNA is the gold standard of all evidence. DNA is all you need. If The Beatles were to sing about evidence, the song would be, "All You Need Is DNA" because dude, it kind of is.

    A polygraph? Pfffft. Not even allowable.

    I get it, it's just one letter from his attorney in a case I know little about. But seriously, if this was my attorney and I was Cope, I'd be worried as hell. Again, just going by the single letter on the site regarding "Defense" -- sounds like this dude needed a better one.

    Okay, you find your 12-year-old dead and sexually assaulted. You're being accused. In fact you've been asked whether or not you did it 650 times. So you... what, fall asleep during the polygraph? Oh hell no. Come on, you parents know, you're gonna be going batshit insane if you find your child like that. And to accuse you -- my god they'd have to fill me with something more than a few Xanax to put me to sleep! They have to damn near kill me, honestly.

    I'm not saying the guy's guilty based on this alone. It's just... it's not how I would react. It's never happened to me, but come on, it's never happened to most of us yet we KNOW we wouldn't act like THAT. Refusing to do CPR on your dead child? Worrying about your sex magazines? WTF is that I don't even....

    I know I shouldn't base so much off behavior. "Never been there" yada yada. But get outta here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichabodius View Post
    Wayne is the serial killer middle name so he must be guilty.
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    God help us but I swear I'm buyin' it... reeks of guilt! Tell me you didn't think of Gacy!
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    Wayne is my middle name.
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    This happened in the town I live in, right down the street actually. I honestly think the guy is not right mentally, maybe slightly mentally handicapped? The story is so weird and that little girl had obviously been through hell, with previous sexual abuse before she was killed. It is a horrifying story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichabodius View Post
    Wayne is my middle name.
    And a fine name it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathgoddess View Post
    This happened in the town I live in, right down the street actually. I honestly think the guy is not right mentally, maybe slightly mentally handicapped? The story is so weird and that little girl had obviously been through hell, with previous sexual abuse before she was killed. It is a horrifying story.
    Yeah, you know I saw her picture in the site and I thought the same thing. I don't know who did it, but that little girl went through some Hell in her short life.

    Wondering what it's like to live on the same street on which this happened? How divided is the community regarding guilt or innocence, and is it sliding towards guilt or innocence?

    I'm thinking he'd better hope they find him incompetent somehow, because his actions after the fact make him look guilty. Not just the confession but his whole demeanor -- his mental capacity does seem limited. That or, you know, he's guilty.

    Another Misskelley, maybe...

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    I don't know if he's guilty or not, but 600 times he said No, just the thought of being interviewed that many times about your murdered daughter would be torment. With a member of my family murdered, it really gets my goat of all the things they would not let into evidence. The witness's were to afraid to speak up and their were many of them. He had done the same thing before yet they wouldn't let that into the trial....our laws are not perfect by a long shot, but I do think it's time for some changes. How can people make the right choice when half the information is not let in. Drives me Batty. After sitting through 2 trials and the guy getting off completely and laughing at us in the court room made us all want to vomit. It's a horror nobody should go through, this man works at the yearly fair and we see him every year, you don't know how hard it is to not bring a gun and shoot his lying murdering ass. The jury all agreed had they gotten all the information they would have convicted him at the first trial....it makes no sense to me and I don't think it ever will. RIP David.

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