What's your thoughts on this cold bird? Anyone catch the interviews he did in prison?? Think he killed more than he claims or just claiming more to be famous?? The facts surrounding his death are questionable too... and he claimed someone was gonna kill him......
Just watched 2 interviews on A&E a couple of hours ago about Richie. He was a piece of work for sure. I find him, strangely, fascinating. I had watched these same interviews and the HBO interview about a year ago. Did some lengthly reading at Crime Library. I think he probably did a lot of what he said but to what extent, is anyones guess. He seemed to care about his family a great deal and even shed some tears when he spoke of how badly he had hurt them. His death was certainly questionable considering he was fixing to testify against some mafia/gangster trial. The way he used cyanide was interesting.
I agree completely... the funny thing is, I asked about him before turning on the TV, when I started flippin channels I found the first one on but almost over, so I finished watching it and started watching the second before goin to sleep. I also find him strangely fascinating,
I watched an "America Undercover" interview on HBO with him a few years back. He's eerily captivating and chilling at the same time. Especially when he'd smile - that sent chills down my spine.
Doesn't he just give you the impression that if the person asking the questions says something the wrong way he'll rip them apart?? A few times his stillness and thoughtfulness is utterly scary to imagine being just a few simple feet away.
i saw his interviews years ago on hbo. i recently saw something on montel williams. i never knew he was poisoned and i thought he died from cancer. i also never knew he beat his wife. he said he never killed any women or children. his brother killed and raped a 12 year old girl and killed her dog. both of them were inmates in trenton state prison. he claims he sometimes never actually speaks to his brother when he would see him. that man and his bro were crazy.
That Kuklinski character sure was a piece of human garbage.
Yes, he murdered many many people but as I watched that HBO show about him, I kinda got the idea that he was playing himself up a bit. Kinda just making himself out in some "grand" way when all he was, was a worthless lowlife.
I'm thinking eternal damnation is a b*tch for Kuklinski.
He is a fasinating character! I don't doubt that he did commit several murders. I do think that he puts on a little for the camera (too much Sopranos) when he is being interviewed. Keeping in mind that they have him heavily medicated while in prison and being interviewed it seems he still has those dead "shark eyes". The Hughes brothers are in the process of doing a movie base on Kuklinski. I read the book and he is pretty twisted. It goes into more details about his relationship with his wife. The guy acted crazy and was violent before she decided to marry him (hellooo). I guess justice was served the last few months of his life he died a slow death and ended up completly out of his mind.
Did you notice how he spoke slow and deliberate? I suppose some of that maybe/possibly had to do with drugs but I also thought it was for special "effect".
It was also disconcerting how he moved his mouth, did you notice that?
He would always just roll his tongue around and make like wet sounds etc. It was beyond irritating!
I'm sure glad that guy's off the planet.
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Weird story.
I really liked the way Kulklinski clenched his teeth, spoke very slowly and deliberately, and sucked in air as he talked. It was as if he was constantly trying to restrain himself from suddenly standing up, overturning the table, and killing whoever was in the room with him.
Scary mofo. Him and BTK.
I don't know if this is the interview that your talking about but I will post it for anyone looking for one. To me he just seems like he is so cold. Like I killed people so what who cares. Ugh gives me cold chills. There are seven parts to the video but the links for the others are there too.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TegpgDHEarY
Thanks for the link Kelly!! I've seen those when they were on TV, its cool to see they are available to view elsewhere.... hes still intriguing in some sort of wierd way.Originally Posted by Kellycatt1
Really
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true sociopath. but fascinating in that way. and this is coming from someone who *admittedly* dated one. (a sociopath, not a hitman hah)
those interviews with him give me chills.
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I just got done reading a really good book about Richard
The Ice Man: Confessions Of A Mafia Contract Killer
By Philip Carlo
Defiently a scary individual
Sociopath with icewater running thru his veins for sure !!
I have a documentary series on VHS i taped about 20 odd years ago called "Crime Inc" it was from memory approx 12-15 1/2 hr episodes on the older Mafia goings on before Gotti etc one one particular episode the Cleveland mob wanted an Irish rival (Danny Green) eliminated tried unsuccesfully several times to kill this man finally brought in a "professional" from LA one "Ray Ferrito" who basically blew the irish guy up using a car bomb .
Ferrito was caught and put in jail where he was interviewed for the series and i can tell you he had the same demeanor as Kuklinski very quiet spoken rolling his tongue along the bottom of his top teeth with this almost chilling sought of grin when asked how he felt about stalking and killing a man he replied with no emotion whatsoever "It was taken a glass of wine a man with a conscience doesn't last to long on the streets".
Quote. "The makers behind this series have unearthed excellent newsreel footage and newspaper photographs covering many notorious gangsters from the early part of the twentieth century such as Lucky Luciano, Big Jim Colisomo, Louis Lepke Buchalter, Johnny Torrio and Bugsy Siegel. Added to this extensive coverage of now extinct (!) gangsters are face to face interviews with modern day villains including ex-Los Angelas crime boss and noted hitman, Jimmy "The Weasel" Fratianno, and the refined and smooth talking Ray Ferrito...the hitman who blew up Irishman Danny Greene, solving the mob's problems in Cleveland."
http://www.amazon.com/Crime-Inc-Box-...cm_cr-mr-title
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He killed for money, he killed for revenge, and he killed just to do it. But he wasn't a serial killer. He was a predator. Stood over 6'5, 280 lbs, and got the name Ice Man for his ability disguise the time of death via freezing. His favorite way when the contract called for the mark to suffer was to take people up to the caves and feed them -while alive- to rats. He would film it and then show the person paying for the deed.
You may know him for killing mafia boss Carmine Galinti
http://gangstersinc.tripod.com/Ameri...WS_Galante.jpg
or participating in the Gotti shooting of Paul Casetelano outside of Sparks Steakhouse.
Watch these two videos:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...92213665972395
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12489134120077
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oops, nice catch Nessa.
mods please merge. my bad. i typed in his last name incorrectly.
I wonder if he really was poisoned in prison?
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I didn't know he died! *goes to read*
What pisses me off to no end is that he & his 2 brothers were beaten as children. His older brother died after his Dad beat him to death. Then the other brother ends up killing a 12 yr old girl and we know what Ice Man ended up like.
I can't help but think if he came from a loving family if he & his brother would of turned out like this. IMO people who beat children are the lowest scum of the earth.
I watched both documentaries online a couple weeks ago - I was riveted.
I like when he says theres a guy who was born out his mothers ass! Classic!!Lol!! And thay building they had were they would torture people and chop them up what a creepy buiding huh? His wife always got me ...she knockedboots with him!!! I also thought the cyanide story about him dancing up to people was pretty funny...in a sick twisted Im going to hell way.....
You got that right, child abuse and neglect are major reasons why some people grow up to be monsters or alcoholic's or drug addict's. People who abuse their kids are the lowest of the low I.M.O.
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I watched the two part Iceman series on Sky TV over here in the UK about 3 years back and I have to agree that he was a fascinating character.
He was extremely 'matter of fact' when talking about the things that he did but at least he was honest and accepted what he had done rather than making excuses for his actions.
His motivation was money so that he could provide for his family and had he been able to make a good living doing something else I don't think that we would be talking about him today.
A lot of the people that he was bumping off were not particularly nice people anyway and although that doesn't make it right.....I prefer this to someone randomly going out and murdering completely innocent people for nothing more than sexual gratification.
He came across as a genuinely nice kind of person that didn't really enjoy his line of work but did it and became numb to it so that he could lead a lifestyle that he wouldn't have otherwise been able to.
I got the impression that he acknowledged his brother because he was his brother but didn't approve of the things that he had done (killing innocent children) and maybe that is why they didn't speak very much in jail.
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Great book about one scary dude! Goes to show there is a lot of stuff hidden away in suburbia.....
There sure is, Maxy.Great book about one scary dude! Goes to show there is a lot of stuff hidden away in suburbia.....
Those interviews with him scare the crap out of me, but I'll watch them every time they are on. I felt that he was just waiting for any reason to jump across that table and kill that interviewer. Very frightening guy.
Clearly he's a sociopath but some of what he said in those interviews just didn't ring true to me. I think some of it was bluster to sound worse than he is. Normally killers down play how many people they killed or the circumstances surrounding the killings but there are those rare serial killers that will play up the number of people they killed so they can become more infamous than they already are.
No doubt about it his upbringing caused his lack of feelings and remorse. He saw such many evil things that his little mind shut down all of the things most humans have.
I watched a tv show on him once. He is one scary dude.
A very scary man.
I think he played it up, for sure, to make himself the Baddest Of The Bad.
The book is a good read, he is a scary guy, but I think he is also ten pounds of bullshit in a five pound bag in a lot of ways.
So I Hear You Paint Houses reminded me of him, as well. Lots of big talk and too many viewings of The Godfather movies and Sopranos.
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I cannot even imagine that man doint that. Remember he said he would act "gay like" dancing around, and then--Poke--guy dies on the floor. LOL Im sick to laugh, but just thinking of him doing that. He really facinated me also. I dont know if everything he said was true, but I think most of the killings he said he did, he really did. His eyes didnt frighten me, but they were so cold, and just no soul. Not until he talked about his family did I see a light in them.I also thought the cyanide story about him dancing up to people was pretty funny...in a sick twisted Im going to hell way.....
I could not find a thread on this guy.
Part 1. Part 2 is posted below as a reply
Richard Leonard "The Iceman" Kuklinski (April 11, 1935 â?? March 5, 2006) was a convicted murderer and notorious contract killer. The six foot five inch, 300 pound hitman worked for several Italian-American crime families, and claimed to have murdered over 200 men over a career that lasted 37 years from 1948 till 1985; he killed his first victim at age 14. He was the older brother of the convicted rapist and murderer Joseph Kuklinski.
Early life
Richard Leonard Kuklinski was born in the projects in Jersey City, New Jersey to Stanley and Anna Kuklinski. Stanley was a severely abusive alcoholic who beat his wife and children. When asked whether Kuklinski felt that his younger brother Joseph's crimes were triggered by having a similar upbringing to his, he replied: "we come from the same father. Anna was also abusive to her children, sometimes beating them with broom handles.
In 1940, Stanley's beatings resulted in the death of Kuklinski's younger brother, Florian. Stanley and Anna hid the cause of the child's death from the authorities, saying he had fallen down a flight of steps.
By the age of 10, Richard Kuklinski was filled with rage and began acting out. For fun he would torture animals and by the age of 14, he claims to have committed his first murder.
Taking a wooden rod from his closet, he ambushed Charlie Lane, a local bully and leader of a small gang who had picked on him. Unintentionally he beat Lane to death. Kuklinski felt remorse for Lane's death for a brief period, but then saw it as a way to feel powerful and in control. He then went on and nearly beat to death the remaining six gang members. Richard then believed that "giving is better than receiving."
By his early twenties Kuklinski had earned the reputation as being an explosive tough street hustler who would beat or kill those who he didn't like or who offended him. According to Kuklinski it was during this time that his association with Roy DeMeo, a member of the Gambino crime family, was established.
Association with the Gambinos and Roy DeMeo
Association with the Gambino crime family came through his relationship with the mobster Roy DeMeo. This relationship started because Kuklinski owed an associate of DeMeo's a lot of money, so DeMeo was sent to 'talk' with him. He and his gang pistol whipped Kuklinski. After he paid back the money he owed, he began staging robberies and other assignments for the family, one of which was pirating pornographic tapes.
According to Kuklinski, one day, DeMeo took Kuklinski out in his car and they parked on a city street. DeMeo then selected an apparently random target, a man out walking his dog. He then told Kuklinski to kill him. Without questioning the order, Kuklinski got out, walked towards the man and shot him in the back of the head as he passed by. From then on, Kuklinski was DeMeo's favorite enforcer.
Over the next 30 years, according to Kuklinski, he killed numerous people, either by gun, strangulation, knife, or poison. The exact number has never been settled upon by authorities, and Kuklinski himself at various times claimed to have killed over 200 individuals. He favored the use of cyanide since it killed quickly and was hard to detect in a toxicology test. He would variously administer it by injection, putting it on a person's food, by aerosol spray, or by simply spilling it on the victim's skin. One of his favorite methods of disposing of a body was to place it in a 55-gallon oil drum. His other disposal methods included dismemberment, burial, or placing the body in the trunk of a car and having it crushed in a junkyard. He also claimed to have left bodies sitting on park benches, thrown bodies down "bottomless pits" and fed still-alive victims to giant rats in Pennsylvania.
Despite Kuklinski's claims that he was a frequent killer for DeMeo, none of DeMeo's crew members that later became witnesses for the government admitted that Kuklinski was involved in the murders they committed. Only photographed on one occasion at the Gemini Lounge, he reportedly visited the club to purchase a handgun from the Brooklyn crew. Kuklinski claimed to have been responsible for DeMeo's murder, although the available evidence and testimony points to the murderers being fellow DeMeo crew associates Joseph Testa and Anthony Senter as well as DeMeo's supervisor in the Gambino crime family, Anthony Gaggi.
According to Kuklinski, at the same time he was allegedly a career hit man, he met and married Barbara Pedrici, and later fathered two daughters and a son. His family and neighbors were never aware of his activities, instead believing that he was a successful businessman. Sometimes he would get up and leave the house at any time of the day or night to do a job, even if it was in the middle of dinner. However Kuklinski hated to work in holidays especially during Christmas, as he felt it was important to be with family.
Initially nicknamed "The Polack" by his Italian associates because of his
Polish heritage, Kuklinski earned the nickname "Iceman" following his experiments with disguising the time of death of his victims by freezing their corpses in an industrial freezer. Later, he told author Philip Carlo that he got the idea from fellow hitman Robert Pronge, nicknamed "Mister Softee", who drove a Mister Softee truck to appear inconspicuous. Pronge taught Kuklinski the different methods of using cyanide to kill his victims. Kuklinski also claimed to have purchased remotely detonated hand grenades from Pronge. Pronge allegedly asked him to carry out a hit on Pronge's own wife and child. In 1984, Pronge was found shot to death in his truck.
Kuklinski's method was uncovered by the authorities when he failed to let one of his victims properly thaw before disposing of the body on a warm summer's night, and the coroner found chunks of ice in the victim's heart.
Part 2:
State and federal manhunt
When the authorities finally caught up with Kuklinski in 1986, they based their case almost entirely on the testimony of an undercover agent. New Jersey State Police detective Pat Kane started the case six years prior to the arrest and the investigation involved a joint operation with the New Jersey Attorney General's office and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
Special Agent Dominick Polifrone had undercover experience specializing in Mafia cases. The New Jersey State Police and the Bureau began a joint operation. Detective Kane recruited Phil Solimene, a close friend of Kuklinski, who introduced undercover agent Polifrone to the killer.[4] The Bureau agent acted as if he wanted to hire Kuklinski for a hit, and recorded him speaking in detail about how he would do it. When state police and federal agents went to arrest Kuklinski they blocked off his street, and it took multiple officers to bring him down. In the process of doing so Mrs. Kuklinski was also arrested and charged with gun possession because the car was in fact registered under her name. When Mrs. Kuklinski was arrested, a police officer put his boot on her back while detaining her. This enraged Kuklinski, and that is one of the reasons why they needed multiple officers to bring him down.
Incarceration and Death
During his incarceration, Kuklinski granted interviews to prosecutors, psychiatrists, criminologists, writers, and television producers about his criminal career, upbringing, and personal life. Two documentaries, featuring interviews of Kuklinski by Dr. Park Dietz (best-known for his interviews with and analysis of Jeffrey Dahmer) aired on HBO after interviews in 1991 and 2001. Philip Carlo also wrote a book in 2006, entitled The Ice Man.
In one interview, Kuklinski claimed that he would never kill a child and "most likely wouldn't kill a woman". He also confessed that he once wanted to use a crossbow to carry out a hit but not without "testing" it first. While driving his car, he asked a random man for directions, shot him in the forehead with the crossbow, and stated that the arrow "went half-way into his head".
He also claimed that he once kidnapped one of his victims, and rather than conventionally murder him, bound his hands and feet with tape. He then left the man in a cave in the wilderness where he was eaten alive by rats attracted by the man's cries. Kuklinski claimed he filmed the man’s death as proof to the buyer that the man suffered before death.
In one interview, Kuklinski confessed that he only regretted one murder, which he deemed particularly cruel. As he was about to kill a man, the man began praying to God for his life. Kuklinski told him that he would give God 30 minutes to save him, but once the time was up, he would be killed. Forcing the man to wait 30 minutes for his demise struck Kuklinski as his most sadistic murder. (Watch the video of Kuklinksi discussing this incident.)
Kuklinski died at the age of 70 at 1:15 a.m. on March 5, 2006. He was in a secure wing at St. Francis Medical Center in Trenton, New Jersey at the time, although the timing of his death has been labeled suspicious; Kuklinski was scheduled to testify that former Gambino crime family underboss Sammy Gravano had ordered him to murder New York Police Department Detective Peter Calabro. Kuklinski had admitted to murdering Calabro with a shotgun on the night of March 14, 1980. He denied knowing that Calabro was a police officer, but said he would have murdered him regardless. At the time, Gravano was already incarcerated for an unrelated charge, serving a 19-year prison sentence for running an ecstasy ring in Arizona. Kuklinski also stated to family members that he thought "they" were poisoning him. A few days after Kuklinski's death, prosecutors dropped all charges against Gravano, saying that without Kuklinski's testimony there was insufficient evidence to continue. At the request of Kuklinski's family, forensic pathologist Michael Baden examined the results of Kuklinski's autopsy to determine if there was evidence of poisoning. Baden concluded he died of natural causes.
One cold bastard.
I enjoyed his prison interviews. Especially the one where he hears a question he doesn't like. You see this man trying to control his temper.
It was easy to see how this guy could turn it on like a switch.
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FWIW 90% of serial killers are psychopaths and pathological lying is a trait of primary psychopathy.
His wife wrote a book called "Married to the Iceman" but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
He looks like my 6th Grade band director.
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I remember hearing about that!His wife wrote a book called "Married to the Iceman" but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
After a quick search, I found it was out of print. But I bet if you check your local library's online catalog, you could get lucky. I find lots of out of print books that way. If you find it at a library that's in your county's system but it's far from you, they'll likely ship it to the one nearest you and then will let you know when it arrives.
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I read the book: The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer by Philip Carlo about 8 months or so ago.
It's honestly one of the best books I have ever read and absolutely gripping!
Although a bit harrowing in places, if you can handle it, I recommend it.
I think the iceman talked like he had done good things to these people - so matter of fact. I also think he gave himself way too much credit.
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His childhood played a big part in the way he turned out unfortunately.
Constant abuse and seeing his dad beat his older brother to death took it's toll, and he became emotionless.
Killing someone to Kuklinski was like drinking a cup of coffee. A normal, everyday thing that he didn't bat an eyelid at.
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Definitely a captivating interview. Makes you wonder if you are associated with anyone capable of these horrific crimes. He certainly seemed proud of what he did, and you have to belive there are more of him out there...
He wrote his wife several times claiming someone was trying to poison him.
I wonder if someone got to him.
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