Since the house was rented in Joy Miller's name, I'm wondering who cleaned the damn place after the murders?
There were no bio cleaners in 1981, and the house did not belong to Miller, she was only renting, so I wonder who was left with the task?
I'm not trying to sidetrack the thread but I do think that Holmes did kill some of those people. He was no good, and thats an understatement.
i have always thought holmes participated too~
the video now posted on FAD of the crime scene & scott walking thru the house gave me chills~
back then they took a pretty good video of the scene, which seems like a rarity regarding crimes from some time ago~
Okay just watched the movie!! Very well done flick!! Loved it.....I think being attacked like that in your sleep would be soo horrible ! I
Loved the clip Scott!
Does anyone know if there are any good books on these murders? Am going to get the DVD but would like to read up on it too.
Dawn supposedly wrote a book regarding the event called "The Road Through Wonderland." She talks about it quite a bit on her website www.dawn-schiller.com but I don't think it ever got released. It was supposed to be out in like 2005-2006, but if it is I've never seen it.
I live in Ohio and you can have a mansion here for that price...I'm sure the house isn't in the greatest of shape can you imagine since it's a rental how many people have moved in and out over the years and as I said before it hasn't changed much other than the carpet taken out and it's been painted...still has the same balcony and it looks like it's never been remodeled since the murders in 1981 so I'm sure it needs some TLC to say the least.
I learned something new today. I'd have to have one hell of a job making an obscene amount of money to afford to live in California. lol that's ok...I can visit any time.
Hugs fellow Death Hags!
Oh I almost forgot...I've also been looking for a good book about these murders. I know the two lead detectives in the case wrote a book called "four on the floor" but I can't find it anywhere. I can't find any books in print about right now. I've looked all over the internet. Anyone have any ideas? any sites that may sell used books out of print? I tried Amazon since they sell used books and No luck.
Any help appreciated.
They never released that book. I've been looking for it too.
There is a book out called "Scary Monsters and Super Freaks" by Mike Sager. This book has a chapter about John Holmes and the murders. It's a good book overall with all the other good chapters in it. Here's an outline of it from Amazon:
This strong collection of Sager's articles over the past 20 years for Rolling Stone and GQ demonstrates his skill as a reporter whose main interest is investigating America's dark and lurid corners. Most of the articles divide roughly into two groups. The first focuses on well-known subjects such as porn star John Holmes's drug-induced decline ("The Devil and John Holmes"), actor Rob Lowe's infamous sex tape ("Rob Lowe's Girl Trouble") and funk-rocker Rick James's obsession with freebase cocaine and violence ("The Rise and Fall of a Super Freak"). The second explores lesser known but often more horrible incidents, such as "The Death of a High School Narc" in Midlothian, Tex. Sager incorporates in all the articles such journalistic devices as scene-by-scene construction, realistic dialogue and third-person point of view, completely capturing everyday details of a subject's life. But two articles are especially compelling. One is an intimate portrait of Janet Cooke (with whom Sager was once involved), the journalist whose Pulitzer Prize-winning, and fake, story about an eight-year-old heroin addict got her fired from the Washington Post; the other is a lengthy, detailed look at the life and death of author Carlos Castaneda.
Long time Money and Lots of Cocaine by Rodger Jacobs is one I downloaded from Lulu press, with testimony from David Lind, the getaway car driver, and NOT John Holmes, since he didn't testify, but it was his trial.
http://8763wonderland.wordpress.com/
is his home page, he's done extensive work on this case
I've looked for Dawn's Book also and I don't think it exists. I don't think there is one book devoted to just the wonderland murders.
I believe the Wikipedia page on the Wonderland murders mentions that this was the first time video of a crime scene was recorded for use in court. That's a pretty nice piece of crime trivia, if true.
I personally don't think Holmes actually beat anybody, but between the story from his ex-wife about him showing up covered in blood, and the bloody handprint near one of the victims, I would bet he helped hold down one or more of the victims while they were beaten.
Holmes strikes me as a spineless loser strung out on coke -- I don't think he had what it takes to beat someone to death, and if he was unwillingly dragged to the house by Nash's men, I doubt they would have given him a weapon. He helps the Wonderland Gang pull off the robbery, and two days later he's helping Nash's henchmen beat them to death? I don't know...
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ditto!!
Scott & Filmmaker excellent work!!! I would love to buy that house. I would turn it into a morbid bed & breakfast, of course Scott would be first on the guest list! Thanks guys you're the best!!
I've heard mostly people in law enforcement, fire depart, ect will buy houses that had murders in them, since they aren't bothered by that sort of thing.
There are cultures (Asian mostly) who will NOT move in a house someone died in - due to superstitions.
I just won't based on the karma over the house.
Wonderland hands down... Autofocus was slow and boring...by today's standards Crane's "issues" are mild...
John Holmes Contracted AIDS from doing Gay Porn after he was aquitted of the Wonderland murders...He did at least one Gay Porn movie and the man who he had sex with in the movie was HIV positive at the time although it's not known if he knew he was infected.
From what I've seen in the movie and what I have read Ron Lanius used to humiliate John Holmes... IMO I think John helped Kill Ron. It was above Ron's body that Holmes' bloody palm print was found. John had Rage to him; he beat Sharon and Dawn. Along with his Drug problem he had a sociopathic personality disorder so yes I think he could Kill and really show no remorse which from what I've seen in Read he had no remorse at all.
Sociopath.
I thought Wonderland was by far the much better movie.
Joey Yale was the actor that supposedly infected John Holmes with HIV. Joey Yale died of AIDS in 1986. John also did Gay Porn in Loop films before he made a name for himself in full feature adult films and it's been said he dabbled in Male Prostitution.
There are stories that while he was in Jail after the wonderland murders that he had a "relationship" with a Prisoner that was HIV positive and there are stories that other prisoners used to bribe Holmes with Beer, Cigarettes, money and contraband to Sodomize other prisoners... essentually he was paid to RAPE other men for the pleasure of other Prisoners to Watch! SOCIOPATH.... NO Remorse.
John could have contracted HIV from the gay porn, prison, and there is even a theory he got it from needles. Sharon and Dawn said he was terrified of needles...actors and actresses on sets said they saw John with needles and track marks. You can make a strong case for any theory...much like whether or not he participated in the Wonderland murders.
I never saw Autofucus.
I should check it out.
Wonderland by far is one of my favortie movies of all times. I saw it in the theatre when it came out and got the DVD right away when that came out.
If anyone his stills of the bodies from the crime scene walk through, I'd be forever grateful if I could use them on my website. PM them to me if you do!
The most dangerous woman of all is the one who refuses to rely on your sword to save her because she carries her own.
- R.H. Sin
The other day I watched "John Holmes and the Wonderland Murders" which was one of E!'s True Hollywood stories. Pretty good stuff.
I find it interesting how Liberace's ex-boyfriend , Scott Thorson was involved in it all. Apparently he was a big time crackhead and hung out at Eddie's house a lot. He testified about being there the night John was confronted about the robbery and heard Eddie and his guys roughing him up in another room.
Scott was still there after they came back from killing all those people and remembered seeing John covered in blood.
Autofocus was like really bad and like I am soo into like you know not giving like any thumbs because you know its like just not you know worth it, you know?
I don't think I saw that one Aries, cool!
I also did not know about Thorson, but that must have been where they got the idea in the film where John is tied in the chair and they are roughing him up and Eddie has John's phone book and threatens to hurt his family (sharon and dawn).
Great video Scott & fm78! I could not stop thinking about this whole case last night at work. I wish I still lived in Los Angeles, I would totally rent that house. $2500 is soooo cheap! I had a 1BR 1Bath apt in Studio City that I paid $1200 a month for.
I really like "Wonderland". I fell asleep watching "Autofocus"
With all the talk about "Wonderland" I went to rent it at Blockbuster yesterday. I couldn't find it so I finally asked the kid behind the counter. He asked "Is that the one with Val Kilmer?" He looked it up and they had one copy for sale at $9.99. He couldn't find it either, but finally remembered it was under the counter marked $7.99 waiting to be marked up to $9.99.
My boyfriend was out in the car and tried to call me to see what was taking so long and my phone rang in the center console.
I bought the movie and and came home and watched it. I found it a little boring and he found it a LOT boring.
After that I don't think I'll bother with "Autofocus".
After reading this thread, I will not bother with Autofocus.
You are the first person that I have heard who did not like Wonderland.
Val Kilmer's acting was brilliant, I thought.
I also thought Lisa Kudrow did a great job of making me forget she was Pheobe.
I am a huge Kilmer fan though and have been interested in the Wonderland case for years though, so I am a but biased.
I long ago concluded true crime makes boring drama great to read dull to watch. rue unsolved crime is the worst of all; anyoen see Wolfcreek? Talk about a lost eighy minutes of life!
I'm sure I found it more interesting than he did just because of this web site, so if it hadn't been for his complaining maybe I would have actually enjoyed it?
He's also one of those people who talks all through a movie asking, "Why is he doing that? Where is she going? Who are those people?"
I tell him, "Why don't you be quiet and we'll find out together?"
I felt bad for Lisa because I remember her from " Michelle and Romi's High School Reunion" she did a fine job as an actress, but it made me want to get a neck lift.
Which I DO need!