Post this.........I think the Devil is a nice touch and should throw your ass-shat SIL into strokes-ville.......( my SIL is a douche too....both of them )
God
Jesus
heaven/hell
afterlife
reincarnation
ghosts
aliens
Bigfoot
Loch Ness Monster
I believe in none of the above
Post this.........I think the Devil is a nice touch and should throw your ass-shat SIL into strokes-ville.......( my SIL is a douche too....both of them )
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Beliefs are a funny thing you can change an attitude or an opinion but not a belief. When you posted this about yourself you left yourself open to criticism and judgement.
I'm a witch I've heard the worst and you should thank your sil for her concern as she is right! Not that you are going to hell but that according to her beliefs you are going to hell. Worst case be thankful you wont be sharing her eternity. I've always wondered how an infinitely powerful entity like God could create a "perfect paradise" with just one door. Christians put too many limits on their Supreme being. Heck they confine him between the covers of a book. It's a nice enough book even a Good Book but shouldn't there be more to the infinite? Be glad you sil has found comfort in her faith and gook luck on your own spiritual journey.
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Tell her to mind her own business or get the hell ready to prove some shit. I'm the same way. I went to church for over a year. Everytime the door was open. Dammit, I mean I really TRIED too but I just felt like the people were getting something I wasn't. I'd ask my husband, How do you KNOW? How are all these people so sure and I'm sitting here doubting? I'm not knocking church at all. I mean this for myself. They'd all be crying and stuff while i'm just kinda there.
Now mind you, I'm not trying to convert you but perhaps this will explain
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Why even acknowledge the importance of her opinion of your beliefs? Tell your SIL that your religious preference is none of her business plain and simple and that it is not something up for discussion.
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Tell your Mom you were an agnostic - until God appeared to you last night and told you that your SIL was going to go to hell after she died for being such a b*tch!
At least you believe in good manners and not forcing your beliefs on others.
Remind your SIL that one of the commandments is "Thou shalt not judge" then remind her that only God decides who goes to Heaven or Hell and the last time you checked, she certaintly wasn't God. That ought to throw her for a loop. Then for good measure if she doesn't stfu, tell her to mind her own business. It's not her job, right, or whatever else to try to push her religion on you and it might be good to mention--whether true or not--that one reason your agnostic is because you're sick of others trying to shove their religion down your throat.
Plain and simple, people just suck, if you include them in any aspect of your life they feel like they have a right to an opinion about it. My fiancee's father tried to tell him he was going to "sit us down and have a conversation about our relationship with god". My fiancee told his dad "yeahh you can go ahead and try that and I can tell you with absolute certainty that it will end badly for you if you say that to her" lol. He's left it alone since then, my religious choice is mine alone and not his dad, my dad or anyone else can make me change my mind, heart or belief....people just Suck.
Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them. ~Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama
O.K...I have TOTALLY got to look into this church...I think I shall become a FSM recruit...I like it...I LIKE IT ALOT!!! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! THANKS SikFUK!!!
Ok, I understand people getting defensive. I'm a Christian, and yes, I do worry about those who are not. That's my belief and I have as much right to believe that as you have not to. But I never ever convey that to anyone, just because of reactions like I see on thread. All Christians are taught to spread the word and try to get others to believe, but there are right ways and wrong ways to go about it. I wouldn't take offense to it, hear them out and move on or say you'd prefer not to discuss it. Don't tell them to kiss your ass, fuck off or any of that, that's just wrong. They are only doing what they feel is the right thing to do. I know, I'm playing devil's advocate here. ***backs quickly out of thread***turns runs like hell****
Actually, if your sil is a TRUE christian, you can tell her that the bible (king james version) says this:
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with FEAR AND TREMBLING.
I don't see where it says to work out aunt Marys or Uncle Hanks salvation. She needs to worry about her OWN salvation.
Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Seems she should have enough to worry about dealing with her own shortcomings than to devote time to deciding what is best for you.
Sometimes, it pays to be a preachers kid...
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Phillie, I so agree with you hun to a degree. The problem, IMO, with christians now days is that there are so many who are so busy dwelling on the faults of non christians instead of allowing Chirst to live through them by their fruits as we are instructed to do. Christ left us with three commandments: 1) Love God with your whole heart 2) Love one another as Christ loved the church. 3) Believe
If Christians stuck to these three principles, I feel that they would find that non believers would want to learn more because they would be attracted by the love radiating from the person.
Once again...this is just my opinion.
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Your SIL is out of line for even daring to talk about YOUR beliefs and preferences with YOUR mother. I don't blame you for being mad and upset, so I hope you tell your SIL to stay out of your business in future. She has a lot of nerve, so I hope she is put in her place !!!
I'm Catholic and don't feel the need to explain or defend my choice..and you shouldnt either ..your a big girl and can believe as you choose...people and their judging have just got to stop...all the judging people do in the name of "Christianity" gives the Christians a bad name..
I'm a minister, legally certified, ordained and licensed. I can say with absolute authority that there is NO hell, NO purgatory and that your sister-in-law is as much a flaming asshole is my sister is.
If she wants to tangle with me, bring it on.
I totally respect that she has the right to be concerned about me, but to tell my mother that it's horrible that I believe the way that I do just kind of crossed a line. So, I don't go to church. That's not the most horrible thing that can happen. I go to church twice a year, Christmas and Easter, because it makes my parents happy. If I choose to do this, that's my choice.
I have people out there that joke around that they're going to pray for me, and I know that they actually do when the time comes, and you know, it's always good to have someone out there that cares enough to worry about your well being, but not in the way that my SIL does.
I know that most people believe in their religion and they take great comfort in it, but I've never been one of those people. I just never appealed to me. Even when I was little and in Sunday School, I never really believed any of what my teachers would tell me. I went through conformation and I was baptised because it's what my parents wanted. I have no problem with that and if it brings them comfort to think that my soul was saved, then it's the least that I could do. I treat religion like an educational experience. There are so many out there and there's so much that we could learn from each one, who's to say that any one is correct? I believe that there is a higher power and I believe that there just might be something after death. I do believe in ghosts and I hold a very tentitive belief in heaven.
I guess I mean to say that I don't see anything wrong in what I do believe in. To hear my family constantly question me, it makes me feel wrong, but I don't change because what I have is a comfort to myself. I guess I just wish that I didn't have to defend myself all the time. It gets old.
P.S. I thought about changing my profile on facebook to read FSM.
I grew up in the church and completely understand... my Grandfather and Uncle were both ministers and my grandmother (other side) was a reorganized Morman. I am agnostic myself and my sister calls me an Atheist all the time. It irrates me too... but more because it is none of her business. In short, I feel your pain.
Lita, you said it perfectly.
As long as you're comfortable with your beliefs it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. As Lita pointed out... Going by their religion, God is supposed to be the only one who can pass judgment on others.
When humans choose to do so, that means they are trying to surpass God. If God really exists... Do you think that's going to look good to him?
Ok let me start with this one, yesterday I was watching the news and they had on there some dogs that had been abused, then I turned the channel and there was somthing about kids being hurt...it just made me sick..
SO my question is...if there is a Heaven and I think there is, I dont know if I want to go there since if you are an angel you will beable to see all this stuff...
Ok I know this thread is stupid, but I think that everytime I hear about somthing bad happening..I dont want to see it...does that make sense?
I understand what you are saying. I have thought stuff along the same lines. I wouldn't want to see bad stuff and I truly hope that's not how it is.
I know it sounds funny, but I dont want to be up there (If I get there) hahah and see all this shit in the world...I just dont know!
thank you Tracy for understanding! ..
IDK ~ maybe you see the things, but have this divine thing that makes you not feel it ~ like you see the person suffering, know it's temporary and know what the future is going to bring.
Hard to explain ~ you see and feel the dog's pain, see that they are going to die and be released from that pain and will be in heaven rejoicing with you as a fellow angel????
Your deep one, Bun!!
I have always thought about it, but cant tell my husband cause he thinks it is just stupid to worry about it hahah...
I just hate seeing children and animals in bad situations...and I dont know if I could go forever seeing that shit..OR I could be one of those angels who haunts the bad people hahahahahahahah
This made me giggle....Cool as hell in Heaven.Wouldn't it be cool as hell
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You don't know the mindset, view or values of said afterlife. In this heaven you speak of, maybe there is no judgment and only a perfect state of harmony. Then again maybe it's an eternity of dreams and darkness, I guess weâ??ll just have to wait and see. In the end will all of this just have been an experiment in tolerance and understanding? I donâ??t think were given a choice, I donâ??t think there is a decision, I think the outcome just IS.
I agree with you, Delivian. I hope that the experience of being dead will be enjoyable, since I expect to be dead for a very long time. I would like to think that my "soul" just becomes positive energy to support & guide loved ones.
As a Chistian I don't believe that you become an angel. People and angels were created separately by God and are not interchangeable, having different roles in the universe and so on. The Bible states that one day humans shall judge angels; we have authority through Christ to do so and not by our own merits, and we are more important than they are because we are have the gift of being indwelt by the Holy Spirit so they are there to serve us, after God. Anyway, sorry I went off at tangent, basically a Chistian POV is that when a Christian dies, they go to paradise which is like a temporary 'heaven' before the new heaven and the new earth that will come at the end of the world. So basically you can't see all the bad things that are happening on earth as you will be busy in Paradise, preparing for the end of days and Jesus coming back. I think that's good. As you say, nobody would want to see the suffering, especially as the evil in the world unfolds more and more.
Sorry if that long winded and boring, just thought I'd share my view. xxx
Halo, I totally agree with you, from one Christian to another.
I would also like to share this in the hope that it will put people's minds at ease. Again, these are my beliefs (and Halo's), so you may or may not agree, but I hope you will at least give it some consideration. I hope you find some comfort in this information I'm sharing. http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/topics/heaven
(((((((Hugs to all)))))))
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I'm hoping that, if I make it to Heaven, I get to do all the things that, had I done them on earth, would have sent me to hell.
thanks guys for nothing thinking this is a stupid thread...I have always thought about it and it would really bother me.. seeing all the suffering and horrible crap down here...
I was getting ready to post, but I see that Halo has covered everything (as usual ). I agree with what she said 100%. I will say that the Bible is pretty closed mouthed on heaven and what we will see/do when we get up there, but I would think we couldn't see the pain here below as we are supposed to be happy up there. Seeing all of the mess the world is in would make us sad, I would think.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39
I can speak from someone who used to believe as Halo did, but I don't think I do anymore. I once thought angels were separate beings, but I have recently had a mind altering event happen in my life and I'm not sure of any of that anymore.
I didn't mean that to sound negative, I just mean I believe that when we die, we get to come back to help be a guide to those we love. I lost my dad in summer of '06, and I believe he is still with me, visiting me in dreams and watching over me. I feel his presence all the time.
Do they become angels? I dunno, but it feels like it. The Bible says we have a great cloud of witnesses, who are in that cloud? Angels? Those that have passed on? A little of both?
I think they can see those things, but I believe they are surrounded with so much love and joy that they don't feel it. Their emotions, their love, etc., is far more evolved than ours is. They can see the whole picture, we can't.
That's just my dimestore beliefs, take it or leave it, FWIW. YMMV.
Barbossa, you DEVIL! I know some of those things you want to do!
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Bunny.... I don't think this is a stupid thread at all !!! Going a little on your angle about angels seeing the bad that goes on on earth..... can you just imagine what God sees everyday when he's looking down on us. I realize everything is done by God's hand, and we're suppose to learn lessons from everything but still.... I can't even imagine how that would look. I guess we just have to keep the faith, and believe everything happens for a reason.
Sometimes I do wonder what God must think of us but I dont believe everything is done by Gods hand. We have a free will so we choose what we do or we are affected by others choices. I also believe there are divine inspiration and acts I also believe there are evil inspirations and acts.
For example, a dude walks into a store and shoots people dead. He did that of his own free will and probably some evil inspiration....God did not do that. IMO I do agree there are lessons to be learned and things happen for a reason or maybe better said good things can come out of bad situations.
I told my lawyer he's better step it up or we would both end up on an episode of "SNAPPED"