I looked Burke up on Facebook since I'm nosy like that. I only found one Burke, so I guess that is him. He looks thuggish.
I looked Burke up on Facebook since I'm nosy like that. I only found one Burke, so I guess that is him. He looks thuggish.
Mammy!
Damn, you should have been a detective. You really do have the mindset for it. Good memory, tenacious, and nosy.
Thanks! Sleuthing to me is probably stalking to other people. I figure if they put themselves out there on Facebook, then I'm doing nothing wrong by being nosy and looking.
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Wow, that's pretty much the opposite of what I expected him to look like as an adult! But the name and Colorado schools are there, and the age is about right.Originally Posted by Mammy
I used to think that Burke would have some trouble later in life, well obviously I guess. When the world puts your family under a microscope and a lot of them decide that you, as a nine-year-old, probably sexually mutilated and killed your little sister, it would kinda wear on the psyche.
I don't know what it was like to live in that home, but it seems Burke may have lived outside the spotlight that was always on JonBenet, and that would've sucked. From what I've read he was allowed to do pretty much what he wanted, though, and didn't want for anything, so he had it better than many. But the majority of Patsy's time was clearly spent on JonBenet, and his father's time on work, so I think he had to feel left out at least some of the time.
Even after her death, JonBenet was more popular than he, and as we kind of tend to angelize the dead, I'm wondering what he was thinking when his parents were grieving (or whatever it is they did) and he was -- well, he was. I don't think he was jealous of her in a way that would cause him to harm her, but I wonder if her death didn't leave him resentful of an intruded-upon life and the privacy he'd never know again (as a child or even now).
I would've guessed he'd have wound up as a privileged college kid who could afford lots of whatever money could buy. I imagined him doing a few lines of coke at a ski resort, JonBenet a distant memory, the future bright as the snow (or the coke, depending...)
Looks like he began college but didn't finish. I don't know a thing about him, but I hope he's at least had the therapy anyone in his position would need... if not, I could see things ending very badly for him (and for any unfortunate young girls who he might find desirable). It didn't happen, but it wouldn't have surprised me. While I don't think he killed his sister, I think there was a lot of anger that had to go -- somewhere.
I hope his life is at least relatively normal now.
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I always feel pity for the siblings of someone who has died in any manner. The deceased are elevated to martyrdom regardless of what they were like while they were alive. Anyone who has a child die is pretty much consumed by that regardless of how it happened and it's a natural reaction, but it tends to push the surviving children into a corner and make them feel unimportant and forgotten. As for Burke, it is my opinion that he likely felt unimportant and forgotten even before his sister was murdered. She was Mommy's little princess who consumed Mommy's time, money, and attention and Burke was a rather unfortunate looking little boy with Fievel ears and an awkward smile. I could totally understand if he resented the situation, but I don't feel like he had anything to do with her murder. I do think that he likely knows things that he hasn't revealed from living in the Ramsey household, but I think he will take those things to his grave. I was also very surprised when I saw his profile picture on Facebook, but I do believe it is him. I think he probably lives the life of a spoiled young adult who has a wealthy father and people probably are somewhat intrigued by him. I wish I could have found more, but his profile is pretty much nosy proof.
I preety much doubt it... i think we'll never know what really happened that night.
maybe he'll write a book entitled "If I killed my Sister"
LOL!
I don't know if that is him, if you google him some pics pop up and they don't really look like the FB profile pic. The kid in the FB pics almost looks like he has an ethnic quality about him and Burke is pretty pale.
Here is something I found from another website, this is his self written profile. Burke probably didn't stay in CO, he has Charlevoix High School listed as his place of graduation, luckily I used to live there and have some FB friends that still do, I am going to send some messages out and see if anyone knows if he actually went to school there.
Purdue seems like a more likely place for him to go to school to, I mean he came from a mega rich preppy family, that kid from the FB profile looks middle class to me (ie no polo shirt in any of the pics LOL)
Account Info
Name:
Burke Ramsey [add to friends]
Network:
* Purdue '09
Last Update:
August 20, 2006
Basic Info
Sex:
Male
Interested In:
Women
Relationship Status:
In a Relationship with
Alix Hendry (UGA)
Looking For:
Friendship
Residence:
Tarkington 222
Birthday:
January 27, 1987
Hometown:
Atlanta GA / Charlevoix MI
Contact Info
Personal Info
Political Views:
Moderate
Activities:
Purdue Pilots Inc., PCCP
Interests:
Aviation, Computers, Skateboarding
Favorite Music:
ok so it TOTALLY depends on my mood...but right now...this guy called "NULLSLEEP"...he makes music on a GAMEBOY...its sweet....www.nullsleep.com
Favorite TV Shows:
south park, the oc (stop laughing haha)
Favorite Movies:
Snatch, Pulp Fiction, es Menikmati, The Ruin Video...i cant think of any more but i know there are some.
Favorite Books:
i dont read books....the only one that I have ever liked was The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
Education Info
College:
* Purdue '09
* Computer Technology
High School:
Charlevoix High School '05
Okay my friend replied to my message with:
Not a weird question at all! Yes, they have a son that graduated from Charlevoix HS. He was quite younger than us if I remember correctly, so I didn't know him. I actually used to wait on them at a little restaurant called Oma's in the summer when they were up. Crazy!
And I also found the website of the girlfriend from the picture, she is an artist, but I cannot find a FB for Burke. I would imagine he is listed under another name, I am scrolling through some of my friends friends on FB that are from that area. It is a SMALL town and I am sure someone knows him and still talks to him. I also found this article about his education at Purdue:
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~natt/ramsey.htm
I really feel like a creeper now, but I am obsessed with finding his FB page.
Thanks for all of the new info! I thought the guy I found on FB looked rather ethnic, but the age matched and they both had a Colorado background, so I figured it must be him. The one you found looks much more like what I expected Burke to look like which is a preppy rich kid. He grew into his looks and is handsome. I think he went to Ball State College at one point, but I could be wrong. If you find anymore stuff, we'd all like to hear it!
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Good Lawd - he looks just like his Mama!! He is a handsome young man. Thanks for the pic!!!
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Now that you mention it, he does look just like his Mom! I bet JonBenet would be stunning if she was still alive. She was a pretty little girl under all of that makeup.
She would have been a total knock out! Even as a child she had an exquisite face, they really did make pretty children.
he has it set up where if you type in his name his page wont come up but here it is
https://www.facebook.com/burke.ramsey?sk=photos
pic of burke and dad
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...3727619&type=3
Its weird though, all these pics are from 2006 and 2007. You think he hasnt updated the profile or doesnt use it anymore?
he might have another page on there, and has that sucker under tight privacy. i got 2 pages on facebook, but only one is my main.
awesome! Thanks for the info. I knew there had to be one out there for him. I bet he doesn't use this one anymore, if I were him I would have one under a completely different name
im sure he does goddess, i know i would if i wanted some privacy ya know
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a new book by a former investigator who believes it was a family member
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ey-murder.html
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Patsy graduated from the same High School as I did. She graduated 4 years before me but I didn't live here at the time so I didn't know her. A guy I work with did though. Just after all of this happened I was able to find and sell the High School classbook guy (I would have to look him up but he has a massive collection of high school yearbooks of famous people) her senior yearbook. (Not hers of course but from the year she graduated).
I've actually had two. Neither were signed by her.
Don't post much here, but just read this and thought I'd share it. Not sure what to make of it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ight-case.html
A female friend of mine told me that John Ramsey was heavily into pornography? Anyone know if there is
proof of this?
Wow that basement was a MESS! Poor housekeeping to the max.
The video just strengthens my belief that it was the family.
Have you ever compared Patsy's normal handwriting to the Ransom note? An amazingly perfect match in
my opinion!
You would think she would have at least tried to write differently....ya think she would have?
And the money amount similar to John's bonus, now how did that happen? And the word "hence"?
Few people use that word. Patsy did.
And the adolescent theme to the letter! I won't say who that reminds me of......
Oh yes.Have you ever compared Patsy's normal handwriting to the Ransom note? An amazingly perfect match in
my opinion!
You would think she would have at least tried to write differently....ya think she would have?
And the money amount similar to John's bonus, now how did that happen? And the word "hence"?
Few people use that word. Patsy did.
And the adolescent theme to the letter! I won't say who that reminds me of......
Patsy wrote the ransom note. I would bet my life on it.
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I read the article and saw the stuff about the cobwebs but what is it about a childs toy?
I agree that Patsy wrote the note, between the handwriting and the odd amount of his bonus exactly, I don't see who else would have known that.
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Looks like the glass was broken from the inside the way the spider web was stuck and blowing.
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ugh thats just shitty, if one of my kids died in the house, fuck you im not covering for anyone, my ass be dialing 911 and say my asshole hubby did it, in the kitchen with the candle stick in his boxers. I would be damned if i would cover for my spouse.
I agree! I've posted this before as I too couldn't figure out the covering part, but my gut says either John or Burke were molesting JB (it's been documented she was sexually molested) and the night of her death, Patsy got mad at JB, probably for wetting the bed(but also because she knew one of the guys were molesting her) and popped her a good one and she landed against a tub or sink and died or they thought she was dead. Dad wouldn't tell because he knew Mom knew who was molesting her and Mom wouldn't tell cause she's the one that killed her. So together they wrote the note and tied her up and stuck her in the basement. This way no one went to jail. I sometimes lean towards Burke (parents protecting their remaining child) and sometimes I lean towards John.
I also just cannot believe someone broke in, got up two flights of stairs, got into the right bedroom, took her out of the bedroom, all the way back down the stairs, molested her and killed her, then wrote this long drawn out note........and no one heard a thing, no one stirred. And the bad guy or gal didn't leave one iota of DNA or finger prints or something....I just can't buy it. But this is my two cents worth and that won't buy me much!
I do wish there would be break in this case, but I think the main player is dead and buried......
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Don't forget feeding her pineapple as well.
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Amen sister, testify!
IIRC an episode of Larry King live where a mistress of one of the Ramsey's lawyers claimed that (during "pillow talk") the attorney revealed that Patsy walked in on John, who was in the act of molesting JonBenet. Patsy grabbed a golf club, swung it at John's head, John moved out of the way to avoid being hit, and the child was accidently struck. Who knows if this is true, but--as the post above says--this story would explain why the two parents might conspire together to hide the truth of their daughter's death: John participated in order to avoid prosecution as a child molester, and Patsy covered up her role as the person who dealt the death blow.
We will likely never know what happened in this case but everytime I see mention of "Honey-Boo-Boo" or shows like "Toddlers and Tiaras" I am chilled to the bone thinking of JonBenet. This poor child was so exploited in life, and in death. I will never understand people who want to paint their babies' faces and dress them like miniature adults. It's just sick.
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As jacked up and Bass Ackward's as the Honey Boo Boo show is - maybe if JonBenet woulda had this kinda show she would still be alive today... Who knows..... Oh wait - John does.... Bastard.....
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JonBenet Ramsey grand jury voted to indict parents in 1999, but DA refused to prosecute
You have to be kidding me. Or is this old news?
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boul.../boulder-grand-
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Yup, reported here in the UK too:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...years-ago.html
First I'd heard myself. This case really does my head in, I can never forget about it. RIP JonBenet.
I've done a lot of reading on this case over the years. I was on another site earlier today and read something major but dont recall seeing it anywhere else.
Someone posted that on Larry King Live one night (dont know when), the mistress of a Ramsey attorney was dishing some "pillow talk." She said her lawyer lover told her that Patsy had confessed to catching John in the act of molesting JonBenet. She then picked up a golf club and swung at him, but missed and hit JonBenet instead.
Anyone else hear this? I guess it would explain why John was allegedly worried about his clubs the morning the police arrived. I remember thinking it odd that he was so worried about his golf clubs. Also it could possibly explain why John & Patsy stuck together like they did. She didnt want the murder pinned on her and he didnt want it known he had been molesting his daughter. Also, IIRC Patsy's mom made some kind of weird comment at some point about JonBenet being molested "...a little."
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Woah.........I had not heard of these tidbits.
How can you be molested "a little"??
I guess we'll never know
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Sadly, I doubt this case will ever be solved.
Carolyn(1958-2009) always in my heart.
I know no more details about the case than does the casual observer.
Regarding the claim that Patsy accidentally struck JonBenet with a golf club, to me leaves the fact that the child was strangled hanging out there. The official cause of death seems to be blunt force trauma and strangulation. So if the child was accidentally struck with a golf club, which alone could have easily killed her, where does strangulation fit in?
If JonBenet's death was accidental by blunt force trauma, that means strangulation was postmortem which means the official cause of death is not accurate.
Surely someone here more knowledgeable about the case than I can speak to the claim of Patsy swinging at John, missing, and hitting her daughter which, presumably, resulted in her death.
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Unless the blow didn't immediately kill her... perhaps she was still making some noise or something and they strangled her to "put her out of her misery". The golf club strike could have still contributed to the death, as well as the strangulation.
Maybe they thought she was dead and the strangulation was something done to make it look sexual in nature and the work of an intruder? It could have just been staging to make the crime appear to be something different than it actually was and deflect suspicion from themselves.
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I feel that the strangulations was probably after the whack on the head
That thought occurred to me also, Bettie, which is chilling to say the least.
I really don't buy the accidental strike claim. Patsy catches John molesting JonBenet, swings at her father, misses, and hits JonBenet. Then, because the child is gravely wounded, mom does a 180 and decides to permit or take part in strangulation to put the child out of her misery? Makes no sense.
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Maybe the father turned it around on the mother. He could have used guilt and blame to convince her that she too would go to prison unless they " took care of it " . And then proceeded to stage the scene as Mammy speculated. It's a stretch but very possible considering their odd behavior following the murder.
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This case is a perfect example of how affluent people are treated by the authorities as opposed to a regular Joe. A common person with the level of strange behavior and circumstantial evidence that the Ramseys have would have been arrested very soon after the crime and likely be serving a life sentence in prison. Hell, that ridiculous ransom note would be enough to convince most people that there was no intruder. It's not like people in foreign factions write a novel for a ransom note and refer to themselves as foreign factions. It would have been a pretty lucky guess for an intruder to ask for the exact same amount for ransom that John received for a bonus.
In every book about the case I have read, the coroner stated that the cause of death was strangulation. The blow to the head rendered JBR unconscious and the strangulation finished the job. I was watching CNN this morning and they interviewed John Ramsey's attorney about the "breaking news". This guy lied twice in an interview that lasted about 5 minutes. First he said that the jurors on the grand jury voted to indite because they "were confused" by the evidence presented and had John and Patsy been "allowed to testify" it would have cleared things up. Um, they refused to testify and it is documented. He went to state that the DNA would lead to the "real killer/s". Um, negative. That DNA is so cross contaminated it is just about useless. This thing will never get solved. I hope to God that there is a death bed confession from someone in the future. Power, corruption, and lies will keep this case cold.
I agree with Mammy and Bleck. It's obvious there was protection of the Ramsey's on the part of the PD, probably from pressure brought to bear by certain individuals inside and/or outside local law enforcement who had enough clout to do so. Affluence is one factor but I'm betting that wasn't the only factor. There are a lot of well-to-do but wicked people in our communities with local inter-connections who, among other things, "like children".
The child beauty pageant circles are rife with pedophiles and they all stick together. I can't even to begin to imagine the hellish emotional life that was thrust upon JonBenet.
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IMHO I still think Patsy was the one sexually abusing her daughter. Anyone who sexualizes their child to that extent has some SERIOUS boundary issues.
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