Those are actually smoke machines that use lights under the smoke jet to mimic the look of pyrotechnics. Kind of like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtfUwbO2xLE So just a visual effect,...
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Those are actually smoke machines that use lights under the smoke jet to mimic the look of pyrotechnics. Kind of like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtfUwbO2xLE So just a visual effect,...
I found his Facebook profile a couple years back and he had most of his info public. It seems he continued working at the same news station until 2014, and then was working at a different one after...
You can definitely see people in the front door during that segment of the video, but I really don't think there's anyone visible from the back entrance, just the dance of smoke and flames. As far as...
Just found some of the clearest and highest quality Butler footage yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU634009IUs
It's a 19-minute news report just after the fire happened. It's higher quality...
Unfortunately we don't have Reelz up here in Canada so I have to wait until the documentary is available on a streaming platform to be able to see it. Hopefully that will happen in the relatively...
Yes it is, looks like I totally missed that post somehow!
It's not The Guest List, but here's an interesting documentary/re-enactment TV episode about the fire that was just recently uploaded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvWkoNS-muQ
Haven't gotten...
Here's the full thing: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1FWXWcUSCRDZ09fMVhZMVROQUk?resourcekey=0-wN2PgGGMc5QtpyQbpxqf6g&usp=sharing
That does indeed appear to be a fire extinguisher nestled in that doorway. Also, note the lack of foam all over the walls and ceiling - this was the setup for WASP in March 2000, the first major show...
Yeah, the first time I saw that video I was also really surprised at how small it looked. Same with the photos of the WASP pre-show setup from the Google Drive (click for larger version):
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Another indoor pyro incident, this one at a wedding in Mexico. Looks like everyone got out fine but still shows how quickly this can go wrong:...
I remember that, and I believe it was with regards to the Matthew Pickett tape rather than the original Butler video.
I'm not even sure that would help all that much. I could be wrong but I seem to recall all the copies that are circulating on the internet today originate from a DVD from (I think) the Rhode Island...
He doesn't mention her by name, but in this presentation around the 37:50 mark he circles the witness who claims Butler was blocking her exit and if I remember correctly (but maybe I'm wrong) it was...
Do you know if perhaps the individual around the 5:01 timestamp is Rick Sanetti? Looks like a similar shirt and facial hair style, but wearing a red baseball cap. This is while Brian Butler is...
In all fairness, TV reports don't usually show more than a few seconds of footage at time, so it would be entirely accurate to say that the 13 minute Butler video contains "a lot more" footage than...
Nothing new that I'm aware of. There's of course that minute-and-a-half snippet from the John Barylick lecture online (I can repost the link if you haven't seen it) but the full thing has not been...
Survivor Tom Stewart gives a podcast interview about his experience that night, well worth listening to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlyQ01uWCpA
I totally agree, the video is what really...
It's crazy to think that in just a few hours there will be adults walking the earth who had not yet been born when the fire happened. The passage of a time can be a strange thing... R.I.P. to all the...
I actually managed to track down Brian Butler on Facebook a while back (won't post the link here but he is relatively easy to find and keeps most of his info publicly viewable). He continued to work...
Haven't gotten around to watching it yet, but here's an hour-long interview with the author of Trial By Fire - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOp4TTNFEOo
Indeed, that wave of fire rolling across the ceiling is terrifying, as is all the molten foam raining down. If Brian Butler had been in the Station a little while longer we probably would've seen...
Well I ended up watching the Collective documentary this evening and it was very interesting. It focused almost entirely on the legal and political aftermath of the event, in particular the...
Great find, Billoween! I'd never heard of this documentary before but will definitely check it out.
Trailer can be seen here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI35s5gyTm8
Sorry to hear about your uncle. I imagine I would want that tape kept offline as well if I were in that situation too.
I doubt the news station factored those sorts of things into their decisions...
I don't think that's the case. Snippets of the footage are used in various news reports and in the upcoming Guest List documentary, so they're still definitely allowing it to get out, just only small...
In my opinion, part of the $30 million Butler settlement should've included the full public release of all footage he filmed that night.
It's ridiculous how they hold on to it and refuse to...
Uhh, what? Clearly they do release the footage since it's used in plenty of news reports, the Guest List documentary, etc. What are they talking about here? I guess maybe if you appear to be a random...
Yeah that's definitely around the time Butler was at the back of the building (or just coming around to the front), and it's way too early for news crews to have arrived, so this must've been taken...
Yeah, looks like the Derderians telling their story outside of a legal setting for the first time. Also someone connected to the sale of the foam, Brian Butler, numerous survivors, etc. Definitely a...
Does anyone know what the story is behind this book?...
Fascinating analysis on the Pickett tape, I'll have to take a listen either tonight after I get off work or tomorrow. I'd be particularly interested in seeing if I can actually hear Scott V denying...
^ Interesting question, Yoyoyo. I've often wondered a somewhat similar/related thing - how did the "shape" of the front-door pileup evolve in terms of people being rescued?
If I recall correctly...
^ Funny that you mentioned the busboy from the Beverly Hills Supper Club Fire, I was just reading about that the other day. If only someone at the Station had had the common sense to do something...
Yes, several members noticed for sure. We can clearly see Ty Longley and the bass player looking up at it in the last couple seconds before Brian Butler moves away from the stage, and in his grand...
Oh is my previous post not showing? I was having some formatting issues but it looks fine on my end. I've got the dark background though so the white text looks fine on it. Is there a way to make the...
I think the smaller man may have fallen out at the same time as Ron Barak, if you look carefully at the video you can see what appears to be a second person just behind Ron who gets up and runs in...
Based on the smoke level, I suspect the Jeff Rader picture was taken a few seconds after Brian Butler entered the exit hallway and the view of the stage disappeared from the video, which would be...
Unfortunately a high-quality version of the full video is not publicly available anywhere as far as I know. There are snippets of it you can find in various news reports (like this one, or this one)...
I don't think a transcription has been made by anyone here of the Pickett tape snippet. As far as the woman shouting, it's pretty unintelligible to me though it does sound like she says the same...
A couple of random thoughts that have come into my head recently...
1 - Great White continuing to play after the fire broke out may have saved Brian Butler's life. It's not until the band stopped...
That's a very interesting theory about Ron Barak, but I'm not quite convinced. Looking at it frame-by-frame, it looks very much like he's getting up to a standing position from his knees rather than...
It was unlisted, so probably someone browsing this thread (a guest rather than an active poster, most likely) saw the link and reported it to youtube.
alpowers7, if you have dropbox you could try...
Here's an interesting video, a fire extinguisher test against the same type of foam used at the Station (test starts around 1:30) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fS37cs4f8U
Pretty impressive,...
I'd definitely be interested in any cleaned up version that's available. I don't think there'd be any issue with you posting a link to it on here.
On a related note, I think I finally know where...
Ah, I see! In that case I agree that that's Walter Castle in the photo. Very interesting, I never realized he got so close to the exit so early, I do wonder why he was delayed. I think Billoween's...
I'm pretty sure it's too early in the event for it to be Walter Castle, he was the last one out the door and there was still a good amount of time before he left when that picture was taken.
My...
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I see there are currently 34 of you online as I'm typing this, and there have consistently been many of you over the past few days everytime I've checked...
That makes a lot of sense if Biechele only left for 20 seconds, lines up pretty well with the timeline in that case. All-in-all, very interesting to see all these details come together.
So I was looking through the old thread and came across a version of the video on youtube with terrible video quality but with the much better Butler audio that we saw in the Associated Press video I...