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  1. Indeed, that wave of fire rolling across the...

    Indeed, that wave of fire rolling across the ceiling is terrifying, as is all the molten foam raining down. If Brian Butler had been in the Station a little while longer we probably would've seen...
  2. Well I ended up watching the Collective...

    Well I ended up watching the Collective documentary this evening and it was very interesting. It focused almost entirely on the legal and political aftermath of the event, in particular the...
  3. Great find, Billoween! I'd never heard of this...

    Great find, Billoween! I'd never heard of this documentary before but will definitely check it out.

    Trailer can be seen here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI35s5gyTm8
  4. Sorry to hear about your uncle. I imagine I would...

    Sorry to hear about your uncle. I imagine I would want that tape kept offline as well if I were in that situation too.

    I doubt the news station factored those sorts of things into their decisions...
  5. I don't think that's the case. Snippets of the...

    I don't think that's the case. Snippets of the footage are used in various news reports and in the upcoming Guest List documentary, so they're still definitely allowing it to get out, just only small...
  6. In my opinion, part of the $30 million Butler...

    In my opinion, part of the $30 million Butler settlement should've included the full public release of all footage he filmed that night.

    It's ridiculous how they hold on to it and refuse to...
  7. Uhh, what? Clearly they do release the footage...

    Uhh, what? Clearly they do release the footage since it's used in plenty of news reports, the Guest List documentary, etc. What are they talking about here? I guess maybe if you appear to be a random...
  8. Yeah that's definitely around the time Butler was...

    Yeah that's definitely around the time Butler was at the back of the building (or just coming around to the front), and it's way too early for news crews to have arrived, so this must've been taken...
  9. Yeah, looks like the Derderians telling their...

    Yeah, looks like the Derderians telling their story outside of a legal setting for the first time. Also someone connected to the sale of the foam, Brian Butler, numerous survivors, etc. Definitely a...
  10. Does anyone know what the story is behind this...

    Does anyone know what the story is behind this book?...
  11. Fascinating analysis on the Pickett tape, I'll...

    Fascinating analysis on the Pickett tape, I'll have to take a listen either tonight after I get off work or tomorrow. I'd be particularly interested in seeing if I can actually hear Scott V denying...
  12. ^ Interesting question, Yoyoyo. I've often...

    ^ Interesting question, Yoyoyo. I've often wondered a somewhat similar/related thing - how did the "shape" of the front-door pileup evolve in terms of people being rescued?

    If I recall correctly...
  13. ^ Funny that you mentioned the busboy from the...

    ^ Funny that you mentioned the busboy from the Beverly Hills Supper Club Fire, I was just reading about that the other day. If only someone at the Station had had the common sense to do something...
  14. Yes, several members noticed for sure. We can...

    Yes, several members noticed for sure. We can clearly see Ty Longley and the bass player looking up at it in the last couple seconds before Brian Butler moves away from the stage, and in his grand...
  15. Oh is my previous post not showing? I was having...

    Oh is my previous post not showing? I was having some formatting issues but it looks fine on my end. I've got the dark background though so the white text looks fine on it. Is there a way to make the...
  16. I think the smaller man may have fallen out at...

    I think the smaller man may have fallen out at the same time as Ron Barak, if you look carefully at the video you can see what appears to be a second person just behind Ron who gets up and runs in...
  17. Based on the smoke level, I suspect the Jeff...

    Based on the smoke level, I suspect the Jeff Rader picture was taken a few seconds after Brian Butler entered the exit hallway and the view of the stage disappeared from the video, which would be...
  18. Unfortunately a high-quality version of the full...

    Unfortunately a high-quality version of the full video is not publicly available anywhere as far as I know. There are snippets of it you can find in various news reports (like this one, or this one)...
  19. I don't think a transcription has been made by...

    I don't think a transcription has been made by anyone here of the Pickett tape snippet. As far as the woman shouting, it's pretty unintelligible to me though it does sound like she says the same...
  20. A couple of random thoughts that have come into...

    A couple of random thoughts that have come into my head recently...

    1 - Great White continuing to play after the fire broke out may have saved Brian Butler's life. It's not until the band stopped...
  21. That's a very interesting theory about Ron Barak,...

    That's a very interesting theory about Ron Barak, but I'm not quite convinced. Looking at it frame-by-frame, it looks very much like he's getting up to a standing position from his knees rather than...
  22. It was unlisted, so probably someone browsing...

    It was unlisted, so probably someone browsing this thread (a guest rather than an active poster, most likely) saw the link and reported it to youtube.

    alpowers7, if you have dropbox you could try...
  23. Here's an interesting video, a fire extinguisher...

    Here's an interesting video, a fire extinguisher test against the same type of foam used at the Station (test starts around 1:30) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fS37cs4f8U

    Pretty impressive,...
  24. I'd definitely be interested in any cleaned up...

    I'd definitely be interested in any cleaned up version that's available. I don't think there'd be any issue with you posting a link to it on here.

    On a related note, I think I finally know where...
  25. Ah, I see! In that case I agree that that's...

    Ah, I see! In that case I agree that that's Walter Castle in the photo. Very interesting, I never realized he got so close to the exit so early, I do wonder why he was delayed. I think Billoween's...
  26. I'm pretty sure it's too early in the event for...

    I'm pretty sure it's too early in the event for it to be Walter Castle, he was the last one out the door and there was still a good amount of time before he left when that picture was taken.

    My...
  27. Hello, random guests viewing this thread! I...

    Hello, random guests viewing this thread!

    I see there are currently 34 of you online as I'm typing this, and there have consistently been many of you over the past few days everytime I've checked...
  28. That makes a lot of sense if Biechele only left...

    That makes a lot of sense if Biechele only left for 20 seconds, lines up pretty well with the timeline in that case. All-in-all, very interesting to see all these details come together.
  29. So I was looking through the old thread and came...

    So I was looking through the old thread and came across a version of the video on youtube with terrible video quality but with the much better Butler audio that we saw in the Associated Press video I...
  30. Great stuff, Billoween! A few thoughts from me......

    Great stuff, Billoween! A few thoughts from me...

    • I had always assumed that the final exits from the stage door were probably made within a few seconds of Butler moving into the exit hallway,...
  31. Great analysis so far, Billoween, can't wait to...

    Great analysis so far, Billoween, can't wait to read the rest!

    I'm particularly curious about the timing of the people getting blocked by the bouncers, and the timing of when the final people left...
  32. Yeah, it's particularly strange because he made...

    Yeah, it's particularly strange because he made it out without much issue while Adam Tanzi, who is ahead of him in the hallway, got stuck in the pileup. I'm guessing at that point it was pretty much...
  33. Glad I could help! I can't wait for your analysis...

    Glad I could help! I can't wait for your analysis to be done, I love seeing all these little details come together :)

    Another thing I just recently noticed - I'm about 99% sure the camera flash at...
  34. Another day, another great video find!...

    Another day, another great video find! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeAh9uJPL7U

    This is from a CBS news report the day after the fire with a bunch of short clips from both the fire and pre-fire...
  35. Well, I've been doing some analysis of my own and...

    Well, I've been doing some analysis of my own and I think I have the Daniel Davidson photos more or less synced up to the video now. This was all possible thanks to that higher quality Associated...
  36. That Dateline footage is great! Another really...

    That Dateline footage is great! Another really interesting thing about it that I had never considered before is that the video was shot at 60fps, meaning if we had a file with the master video on it...
  37. Great info about the mics, dionyzus! That...

    Great info about the mics, dionyzus! That explains a lot!

    Indeed, the Google Drive video uses the camera's built-in internal microphone, which are notoriously awful and almost never used in...
  38. Had an interesting dream last night, I was...

    Had an interesting dream last night, I was watching the Station fire video and the camera pointed out directly at the exit as people started to leave and I could see the people walking into the...
  39. Can't wait to see your analysis, Billoween! I've...

    Can't wait to see your analysis, Billoween! I've always wondered how exactly things unfolded at the stage doors and the details I saw in the higher quality video I posted have only made me more...
  40. The Guest List will almost certainly give us more...

    The Guest List will almost certainly give us more footage, as the trailer shows shots of the pre-fire crowd and Butler walking away from the stage, and they wouldn't pay the (probably exorbitant)...
  41. The camera Butler used recorded in DVCPRO format...

    The camera Butler used recorded in DVCPRO format which had a resolution of 720x480, so not even proper HD but still twice the resolution of the versions on the Google Drive folder, which most people...
  42. If I remember correctly it was determined that...

    If I remember correctly it was determined that she did indeed find her husband a few minutes later when he came out the bar windows, though I'm sure one of the other posters here remembers this in...
  43. The "TV screens" in the Atrium are definitely...

    The "TV screens" in the Atrium are definitely reflections, though they appear to be from something above the windows (something hanging down from the ceiling?) rather than the windows themselves. If...
  44. Found a slightly higher quality version of the...

    Found a slightly higher quality version of the early stages of the fire, about 37 seconds total from just before Butler pans to the crowd until just after the fire alarm starts, and with a slightly...
  45. Billoween - I totally agree it's a bit strange...

    Billoween - I totally agree it's a bit strange that he uses the Pickett audio in these presentations despite being adamant that it never get out on the internet and calling people "disaster ghouls"...
  46. Oh boy, here's an interesting one! John Barylick...

    Oh boy, here's an interesting one! John Barylick discusses in detail the lawsuit against Brian Butler and shows the specific evidence against him (starting around the 34:50 mark):...
  47. Found a great podcast interview with John...

    Found a great podcast interview with John Barylick and a former KISS pyrotechnician, they discuss the Station fire, pyrotechnics, and concert safety - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg7pldk_zoA
    ...
  48. Hmm, that's a good point, there may be...

    Hmm, that's a good point, there may be firefighter organizations that have a copy.

    The other possibility I thought about the other day, albeit a bit far-fetched, is VHS tapes from when it was...
  49. Regarding the full length high-quality Butler...

    Regarding the full length high-quality Butler video, I'm pretty sure WPRI are the only ones in possession of it, and getting ahold of it would be extremely difficult.

    They very likely charge...
  50. Don't know if this will help with any...

    Don't know if this will help with any identifications but I did grab a couple of screencaps from the Guest List documentary trailer, of the pre-fire crowd. It'll be interesting to see how much...
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