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    I was expecting this to happen, glad it finally...

    I was expecting this to happen, glad it finally did. The REELZ Now app now has The Guest List available for streaming anytime. You don't have to watch at a certain time.

    If you're new to the...
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    Don't forget The Guest List airs again tonight at...

    Don't forget The Guest List airs again tonight at 9 pm Eastern, and again 4 hours later at 1 am Eastern on Reelz Live.

    Subarctican, great find on the new video from CNN which aired shortly after...
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    So I've been checking the Reelz website, and I...

    So I've been checking the Reelz website, and I see they're going to replay The Guest List less than 2 weeks from now. It will show on Thursday night April 7 at 9 pm Eastern, and again 4 hours later...
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    Wow, I thought there'd be more reviews of The...

    Wow, I thought there'd be more reviews of The Guest List by now. But I think the problem is it's not actually streaming, so not many saw it. You had to watch it live, just like the good old days! ...
  5. From americansongwriter.com (despite their being...

    From americansongwriter.com (despite their being British), "The general consensus is that “A Whiter Shade Of Pale” is a snapshot of a drunken sexual escapade gone awry. Yet the song defies a specific...
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    I watched The Guest List tonight. Much like the...

    I watched The Guest List tonight. Much like the 48 Hours episode last year was a companion piece to the Trial By Fire book, The Guest List is a companion piece to Killer Show, and long overdue.
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  7. He's pled not guilty? I wonder how he thinks...

    He's pled not guilty? I wonder how he thinks he's going to pull that off.
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    Thanks Commander, I watched this 48 Hours episode...

    Thanks Commander, I watched this 48 Hours episode tonight, it was certainly interesting. As expected, this was a companion piece to Scott James' book Trial By Fire. James himself appears for...
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    Lots of good discussion lately. I'll start with...

    Lots of good discussion lately. I'll start with this: yes in the Evelyn Brito tape when the guy is talking next to the crock pots, you get a good view of the restroom hallway, lit up in neon. And...
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    Commander, that does seem a little more clear,...

    Commander, that does seem a little more clear, but then the Start Clock caption comes on. That means this is not the original clear news footage of the Butler video which we'd love to see.


    This...
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    Great find Bill. I hadn't read this witness...

    Great find Bill. I hadn't read this witness statement. It's on my to do list to make time and read through all of them.

    It would be interesting to go back maybe to old tour footage and see if...
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    Billoween, great research on the fire...

    Billoween, great research on the fire extinguishers! Like so much else that went wrong that night, there wasn't a fire extinguisher within at least 30 feet of the stage. Paul Vanner was probably...
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    Hey all, it's been a while since I've posted,...

    Hey all, it's been a while since I've posted, I've been super busy. Glad I have time now to address this question:



    I agree that multiple copies of the original Butler video surely exist,...
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    As a current resident in the Tulsa metro, I’m...

    As a current resident in the Tulsa metro, I’m glad this is getting recognition. A tragedy that never should have happened. And also, that part of town could use economic revitalization, which may...
  15. I saw the police body cam video. The police...

    I saw the police body cam video. The police showed incredible restraint while under fire from these juveniles. They made every effort not to shoot to kill, and were successful. Kudos to them.
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    Both good questions. The FOIA process starts...

    Both good questions. The FOIA process starts simply, you just send a letter with your request. But it can get complicated from there, going through the right channels, contacting government...
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    It's been a long process. I'll share details of...

    It's been a long process. I'll share details of my experiences once a decision is made. If I had to guess I'd say it's about a 50/50 chance of being released.
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    Believe it or not, my original Freedom of...

    Believe it or not, my original Freedom of Information Act request for the Pickett tape is still pending. It's been pending for years in fact, but I have reason to believe it might get a decision...
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    Ah Yes, Rush Limbaugh. He wouldn't have had a...

    Ah Yes, Rush Limbaugh. He wouldn't have had a career but for the repeal of the 1987 Fairness Doctrine by the FCC. It needs to be reinstated. Because it allows a blowhard like him to spout lies and...
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    Thinking of the victims, the survivors and their...

    Thinking of the victims, the survivors and their families on this 18th anniversary. Cigar and Bill, hope you guys have some good conversations today and tonight. The snow cover looks much like it...
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    True that. And now it's 300,000 dead Americans...

    True that. And now it's 300,000 dead Americans on tRump's watch. In less than a year. Still can't believe 74 million Americans thought that wasn't the abject failure it obviously is, and voted for...
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    Great discussion from you all. Lol RL, that's...

    Great discussion from you all. Lol RL, that's true, the new book totally minimizes the cash drawer incident. It makes it seem that Jeff just turned and dropped it in the snow. In actuality people...
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    Another story link:...

    Another story link: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/7/2000489/-Authorities-call-fatal-shooting-of-Ohio-Black-man-justified-even-though-he-wasn-t-their-suspect
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    Trial By Fire review

    I have finished reading the new book Trial By Fire by Scott James. The short review: it is similar to Killer Show and talks about the Station Fire, but is primarily meant to tell the Derderians'...
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    Good find Astronaut. You're right, these two...

    Good find Astronaut. You're right, these two photos from this documentary don't look like any photos included on the Google Drive. The earlier photo appears to capture the terrible moment when fire...
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    I've reserved this in my local library, and I...

    I've reserved this in my local library, and I look forward to reading it, but with a critical eye.





    We got name checked! That's nice, and it's clear the author used our forum as a resource.
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    I wanted to add that I always thought JR's...

    I wanted to add that I always thought JR's comment "that's not good" was part of his schtick. He had been known for making little sarcastic asides, like near the beginning of their 1991 song Call It...
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    Welcome Mark and other newbies. We've only been...

    Welcome Mark and other newbies. We've only been analyzing the short bit of the Pickett tape audio that has come to light for less than a year. So more details will likely be fleshed out. But I...
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    I thought they were a Police clone back then, and...

    I thought they were a Police clone back then, and dismissed them. But I think their music aged well, and is respected today. Remember the Bounce commercial a few years ago, that parodied "Your...
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    Most likely an accident, though due to neglect. ...

    Most likely an accident, though due to neglect. Apparently 2750 tons of ammonium nitrate had been stored at the port of Beirut for years, and officials had been concerned that it should be moved and...
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    Great post pcwhiz! We'll eventually get your...

    Great post pcwhiz! We'll eventually get your transcript on the Google Drive as the alternate version, to go along with the original audio version.

    I really like your insight about Ron Barak, the...
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    When my hard drive returned in the mail from...

    When my hard drive returned in the mail from Rhode Island 6 years ago, I checked for two things first: Matthew Pickett's audio and the Butler video. I was disappointed, but not surprised, to find...
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    I've found this particular point very...

    I've found this particular point very frustrating. The original Butler video was available on DVD for a while, then not anymore. Wouldn't that mean that it's now in the public domain? I just wish...
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    No problem bustakita. I wanted to be sure I...

    No problem bustakita. I wanted to be sure I didn't miss anything either.

    I got curious so I went back and found when the preshow music ID was made. It was on page 6 of the current thread, in Dec...
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    Nice full decade bump to this thread! This...

    Nice full decade bump to this thread!

    This event in Chicago is the reason there was a cameraman at the Station Nightclub on 2/20/2003 who captured the tragic fire on video. He was there to get...
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    The preshow music was IDed a couple of years ago...

    The preshow music was IDed a couple of years ago in this forum. They were playing the CD Blown by the band Deeds over the sound system. It was released in 2002, so it was new at the time. Here is...
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    As we know, Irina Gershelis makes an appearance...

    As we know, Irina Gershelis makes an appearance in the Butler preshow video as "the shot girl". She doesn't speak, but I remembered that she called in to a radio show which is included in the videos...
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    Thanks Irishman, but this isn't new to us. ...

    Thanks Irishman, but this isn't new to us. Although it is the full 20 minute video, it is pretty low quality. I appreciate the effort though! We need to keep looking for the original hi-res version...
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    Hell yes we're interested! Please post the link....

    Hell yes we're interested! Please post the link. Or if it's not online, pm me and we can figure out how to get it posted. Thanks!
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    RodentLady found it on YouTube back in December. ...

    RodentLady found it on YouTube back in December. It's in a YouTube posting of a John Barylick presentation. In it, he plays the first 2 minutes of the Butler video synced to the Matthew Pickett...
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    Yes Bill, I agree that the transcript needs to be...

    Yes Bill, I agree that the transcript needs to be updated on the Google Drive. I'm working on something else for the Drive too, I'll keep you all posted.

    However now that we have the excellent...
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    I agree with you CWC. That makes sense with the...

    I agree with you CWC. That makes sense with the context of the situation. That's just what someone would say, pointing ahead toward the front door and saying "just like we got in."
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    Like most of you, I've been preoccupied lately by...

    Like most of you, I've been preoccupied lately by the surreal world we are now living in. Just now joining the latest discussion, I also congratulate subarctican on the great YouTube find! It shows...
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    Yes I play drums as a hobby, and I was very...

    Yes I play drums as a hobby, and I was very impressed with Dale Latulipee's drumming! He made it look effortless and fun to play. And it's hard to record a good drum sound outside a professional...
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    I think you're right subarctican. However I have...

    I think you're right subarctican. However I have heard rumors that some fire departments have a copy as well, for training purposes. It may be that all of them are the degraded version with the...
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    Billoween: Amazing story from David Brennan. We...

    Billoween: Amazing story from David Brennan. We need to start collecting these and add them to the Google Drive as survivor statements, or something like that.

    I am happy and honored to know that...
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    Nice find subarctican! The screen grabs are from...

    Nice find subarctican! The screen grabs are from a (new?) trailer for The Guest List, more professional than the earlier one that I seem to remember seeing. At least I don't remember seeing this...
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    Life is short and can end in the blink of an eye,...

    Life is short and can end in the blink of an eye, treasure it. I wonder how many will be at the memorial at 11:07 tonight. Wishing them all peace and thinking of those we lost 17 years ago.
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    Yes it could have been another woman, but as for...

    Yes it could have been another woman, but as for Charlene are you thinking of someone else Frank? Charlene Prudhomme was pulled from the front door by her husband Al. He was reaching in pulling...
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    Welcome back subarctican, and welcome Carpenter...

    Welcome back subarctican, and welcome Carpenter and helenff! Carpenter, your stories about Becky Shaw are invaluable. They help us really understand who she was, and give a human dimension to this...
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