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    The ultimate medieval murder: The Princes in the Tower

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    The Two Princes Edward and Richard in the Tower, 1483 by Sir John Everett Millais, 1878, part of the Royal Holloway picture collection


    The Princes in the Tower, Edward V of England (November 4, 1470 â?? 1483?) and his brother, Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York (17 August 1473 â?? 1483?), were two sons of Edward IV of England and Elizabeth Woodville.
    Both princes were declared illegitimate by an Act of Parliament of 1483 known as Titulus Regius. Their uncle, Richard III of England, placed them both in the Tower of London (then a royal residence as well as a prison) in 1483. There are reports of their early presence in the courtyards etc, but there are no records of them having been seen after the summer of 1483. Their fate remains unknown, and it is presumed that they either died or were killed there. There is no record of a funeral.
    In 1674, the skeletons of two children were discovered under the staircase leading to the chapel, during the course of renovations to the White Tower. At that time, these were believed to have been the remains of the two princes. On the orders of Charles II the remains were reburied in Westminster Abbey. In 1933, the grave was exhumed and found to contain both human and animal bones; however precise identification of the age and sex was not then possible[1].
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    [edit] Suspects

    If the boys were indeed murdered, there are several major suspects for the crime. The evidence is ambiguous, and has led people to various conflicting conclusions.
    Richard III of England had eliminated the princes from the succession. However, his hold on the monarchy was not secure, and the existence of the princes remained a threat as long as they were alive. They themselves were ostensibly not a threat, notwithstanding Edward's having been acclaimed King, but could have been used by Richard's enemies as a pretext for rebellion. Rumours of their death were in wide circulation by late 1483, but Richard never attempted to prove that they were alive by having them seen in public, which strongly suggests that they were dead by then (or at a minimum, not under his control--unlikely, since they would presumably still have been in the Tower). Rather, he remained completely silent on the matter. At the very least, it would have been in his political interest to order an investigation into the disappearance of the princes if they had simply vanished. As the brothers' protector (having obtained them as 'protectorate' from their mother), he appears to have failed to 'protect' them. Many modern historians, including David Starkey [1], Michael Hicks[2] and Alison Weir[3], regard him as the most likely culprit.
    James Tyrrell was an English knight who fought for the House of York on many occasions. Tyrrell was arrested by Henry VII's forces in 1501 for supporting yet another Yorkist claimant to the throne. Shortly before his execution, Tyrrell admitted to having murdered the princes at the behest of Richard III. However, as his confession was extracted under torture, its veracity is dubious.
    Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham was Richard's right-hand man and sought personal advantage through the new king. Some regard Buckingham as the likeliest suspect: his execution, after he had rebelled against Richard in October 1483, might signify that he and the king had fallen out because Buckingham had taken it on himselfâ??for whatever reasonâ??to dispose of Richard's rival claimants; alternatively, he could have been acting on behalf of Henry Tudor (later to become King Henry VII). Buckingham was also a descendant of Edward III through John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster and may have hoped to ascend the throne himself. Buckingham's guilt depends on the princes having already been dead by October 1483, as Buckingham was executed the following month.
    Henry VII of England (Henry Tudor) following his accession, proceeded to find a legal excuse to execute some of the rival claimants to the throne. He married the princes' eldest sister, Elizabeth of York, to reinforce his hold on the throne, but her right to inherit depended on both her brothers being already dead. Realistically, Henry's only opportunity to murder the princes would have been after his accession in 1485.
    John Howard, later the first Duke of Norfolk of the current creation, was a claimant to the estate of the Mowbray Dukes of Norfolk. He was given custody of the Tower of London under less than regular circumstances the night the Princes are supposed to have disappeared from the Tower[citation needed]. He had opportunity and motiveâ??Prince Richard, Duke of York, was also Duke of Norfolk in right of his deceased child bride Anne, the daughter of the last Mowbray Duke.

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    Evidence behind the rumours

    The Croyland Chronicle, Dominic Mancini, and Philippe de Commines all state that the rumour of the princes' death was current in England by the end of 1483. In his summary of the events of 1483, Commines says quite categorically that Richard was responsible for the murder of the princes, but of course he had been present at the meeting of the Estates-General of France in January 1484, when the statement was taken at face value. The other two sources do not suggest who was responsible. Only Mancini's account, written in 1483, is truly contemporary, the other two having been written three and seven years later, respectively. The Great Chronicle, compiled 30 years later from the contemporary London municipal records, says the rumour of the princes' death did not start circulating in London until after Easter of 1484. Historians have speculated, on the basis of these contemporary records, that the rumour that the princes had been murdered was deliberately created to be spread in England as an excuse for the October 1483 attempt of Henry Tudor and Buckingham to seize the throne[citation needed]. If the princes were not already dead by the end of 1483, this of course removes any possibility that Buckingham, who was executed on 2 November 1483, could have murdered them.
    No discussion of this episode would be complete without mention of Sir James Tyrrell, the loyal servant of Richard III whose "confession" to having murdered the princes has always been taken with a grain of salt. It is mentioned by Tudor sources (which, naturally, must be treated with caution) as having taken place in 1502, under torture. A confession under torture would not nowadays be regarded as reliable, and Tyrrell was unable to say where the bodies of the princes were.
    In 1674, some workmen remodelling the Tower of London dug up a box containing two small human skeletons. They threw them on a rubbish heap, but some days or weeks later someone decided they might be the bones of the two princes, so they gathered them up and put some of them in an urn, which Charles II of England ordered interred in Westminster Abbey. In 1933 the bones were taken out and examined and then replaced in the urn in the vault under the Abbey. It is not possible to say the sex of the skeletons. (One skeleton was larger than the other, but many of the bones were missing, including part of the smaller jawbone and all of the teeth from the larger one.)

    [edit] Arguments in the controversy


    King Edward V and the Duke of York in the Tower of London by Paul Delaroche. The theme of innocent children awaiting an uncertain fate was a popular one amongst 19th-century painters.


    Part of the controversy still surrounding Parliament's ruling, known as the Titulus Regius, that Edward (and his brother Richard) could not be rightful heirs to the throne arises from confusion about why Parliament ruled that their parents' marriage was invalid. The issue was further complicated by the fact that the Titulus Regius was subsequently overturned by Henry Tudor's government after the overthrow and death of Richard III, with the specific injunction that it be destroyed without being read into the record. As the Titulus also barred Henry's already tenuous claim to the throne, destroying it provided Henry with legitimacy, but also gave him ample motive to kill the Princes, newly returned to the succession, ahead of Henry.
    As a matter of law, the marriage was, indeed, invalid if the story of the pre-contract between their father and Lady Eleanor Butler (née Talbot) was true. Under both canon law and civil law, a "pre-contract of marriage" was a promise to marry, and it was enforceable in court as if the promised marriage had, in fact, taken place (the concept of a "pre-contract" still exists in law, but it usually arises today in the context of pre-contracting to make a contract for a business deal, like a sale of property or a corporate merger). A pre-contract with Eleanor Butler would have invalidated the king's marriage to Elizabeth Woodville. This was the law in England, and many other contemporary examples can be pointed to. The purpose of publishing the "banns of marriage", and then asking in the wedding ceremony if anyone knows of just cause why the marriage should not take place, was to prevent marriages that were invalid, because of a pre-contract or for any other reason. Marrying in "secret" (or "private", which usually meant "not in a church") without the calling of the banns, as Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville did, was considered a virtual admission that there was a legal impediment. If Parliament was presented with evidence of Edward's marriage to Eleanor Butler or his pre-contract to marry her, it was bound to rule that his marriage to Elizabeth Woodville was bigamous, and therefore any children born to them would be considered bastards.
    The fact that the princes were technically bastards (following his deposition from the throne, Edward V was referred to by his uncle's followers as the "Lord Bastard") did not necessarily mean they could never inherit—William the Conqueror was neither the first nor the last bastard to inherit lands and titles. "Bastardy," the legal term for illegitimacy, was a legal status that could be changed by fiat, ecclesiastical or civil, as shown by the number of times King Henry VIII changed the status of his children. Henry VII's own claim to royal status was based on the legitimisation of John of Gaunt's illegitimate Beaufort children. Parliament could have legitimized the princes and allowed Edward V to remain king, but it used that excuse for what it wanted to do for practical reasons. Boy kings (Henry III, Richard II, Henry VI) had always been disasters for England—and the Wars of the Roses had been halted by the accession of Edward IV as a capable adult. The Yorkists were in power, and Edward V's numerous Woodville relatives had always been Lancastrians at heart and had already made many enemies. Richard III, on the other hand, was considered the Yorkists' best all-round candidate for the job of king at the time.
    There were subsequently a number of apparent Pretenders claiming to be Prince Richard, although curiously there seem to have been none claiming to be Edward V. The best-known Pretender was Perkin Warbeck. The fact that Henry VII did not provide an official public version of the fate of the Princes, despite Warbeck's activities, until the Tyrell "confession" suggests that he either was unaware of the true story or that he was only too aware and that publishing it would have not been in his interests.
    Horace Walpole, Josephine Tey, Valerie Anand, and other writers have defended King Richard III against the accusation that he murdered his nephews. Among the arguments: Henry VII's Bill of Attainder against Richard III makes no mention at all of the Princes.

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    Literature


    • Richard III by William Shakespeare [play]
    • Richard III and the Princes in the Tower (1991)
    • The Mystery of the Princes by Audrey Williamson (1978)
    • The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey (1951)
    • The Princes in the Tower by Alison Weir (1992)
    • To The Tower Born by Robin Maxwell [fiction] (2005)
    • The Sunne in Splendour by Sharon Kay Penman [fiction] {1982)


    [edit] Popular culture


    • The first season of the British sitcom Blackadder portrays a secret or alternative history where the Princes In The Tower survived and grew to adulthood, Prince Richard assuming the throne as Richard IV upon Richard III's death at Bosworth Field, rather than Henry VII as 'true' history records.
    • The Doctor of Doctor Who went back in time to discover the secret in the Big Finish audio drama, The Kingmaker, in which the princes were discovered to be princesses.
    • In the Goosebumps book A Night in Terror Tower, a prince and princess are transported from the 20th century to the Middle Ages while at the Tower of London by the Lord High Executioner. They escape back into the 20th century using magical stones.
    • In "I, Richard" from the I, Richard short story collection by Elizabeth George, the protagonist murders a friend to obtain a letter they unknowingly possess that was written by Richard III proving the princes were still alive on the day of the Battle of Bosworth. In the same story, George also concludes that Elizabeth of York murdered the two princes, handing them over to secure her own place as Queen.
    • Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time consists of an injured Scotland Yard detective, intrigued by a portrait of Richard III, 'investigating' the crime by reading and analysing the histories, eventually concluding that Henry was the boys' murderer, and that they survived Richard.

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    This was one of the first death hag stories I was interested in, around 3rd grade

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    About five months ago, there was an article in the Daily Mail newspaper in London about the possibility of conducting DNA testing to establish once and for all whether the remains located under the stairway in the Tower were, in fact, those of the two princes. A locket believed to contain the hair of Mary Tudor, the princes' niece, has been found. If it is her hair, it would share, through maternal descent, the same mitochondrial DNA pattern that the two princes would have had. I am not sure if there has been any actual testing yet of the hair, but presuming that the scientists could do so and establish a genetic profile for Mary Tudor's mitochondrial DNA, they still have to have something to compare it to-which means receiving permission to re-open the tomb in Westminster Abbey in which the two sets of remains found in the Tower rest. At last word, though, the Dean of Westminster Abbey had expressed opposition to such an exhumation. Ultimately the decision rests with Queen Elizabeth II. But if done it could establish with certainty that the two sets of remains are indeed those of the princes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg King View Post
    About five months ago, there was an article in the Daily Mail newspaper in London about the possibility of conducting DNA testing to establish once and for all whether the remains located under the stairway in the Tower were, in fact, those of the two princes. A locket believed to contain the hair of Mary Tudor, the princes' niece, has been found. If it is her hair, it would share, through maternal descent, the same mitochondrial DNA pattern that the two princes would have had. I am not sure if there has been any actual testing yet of the hair, but presuming that the scientists could do so and establish a genetic profile for Mary Tudor's mitochondrial DNA, they still have to have something to compare it to-which means receiving permission to re-open the tomb in Westminster Abbey in which the two sets of remains found in the Tower rest. At last word, though, the Dean of Westminster Abbey had expressed opposition to such an exhumation. Ultimately the decision rests with Queen Elizabeth II. But if done it could establish with certainty that the two sets of remains are indeed those of the princes.
    I hope the Queen allows it. After all the boys were her great great great great......uncles. I believe she descends from Margaret Tudor, the boys' niece as well as the above named Mary Tudor.

    I think she will approve it. I remember reading how cooperative Prince Phillip was when he was asked to provide DNA to identify the Russian Royal family. (Phillip descends from Empress Alexandra's sister so they share mitochondrial DNA.)

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    It was Elizabeth II's grandfather King George V who in 1933 authorized the last opening of the tomb in Westminster Abbey, so there is a precedent. I'm not sure, however, how far things may have progressed since this article appeared.

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    Ya. I hope they do find out if it is the princes. I think the remains r the princes. But who knows.

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    I went to the Tower of London last year during my trip to England. Just be warned - if you are in a wheelchair or find it hard to climb stairs - don't bother. Lots of stair climbing on that tour, but a lot of cool stuff - all kinds of weapons, knights armor and other stuff. Even execution gear!

    You also get to see the Crown jewels too. Can't take photos tho since they won't allow it. Very beautiful crowns, jewels and other things in there. Gold everywhere!

    Altho they got most of that stuff from pillaging other countries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vamp View Post
    I hope the Queen allows it. After all the boys were her great great great great......uncles. I believe she descends from Margaret Tudor, the boys' niece as well as the above named Mary Tudor.

    I think she will approve it. I remember reading how cooperative Prince Phillip was when he was asked to provide DNA to identify the Russian Royal family. (Phillip descends from Empress Alexandra's sister so they share mitochondrial DNA.)
    Ha Ha a death hag Queen

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    I've made this a point of study over the years, and I can't help but believe that Henry VII was behind it. Richard bore no resemblance to Shakespeare's hunchback. That is just Tudor propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries65 View Post
    I went to the Tower of London last year during my trip to England. Just be warned - if you are in a wheelchair or find it hard to climb stairs - don't bother. Lots of stair climbing on that tour, but a lot of cool stuff - all kinds of weapons, knights armor and other stuff. Even execution gear!

    You also get to see the Crown jewels too. Can't take photos tho since they won't allow it. Very beautiful crowns, jewels and other things in there. Gold everywhere!

    Altho they got most of that stuff from pillaging other countries!
    Do they still have those GIGANTIC ravens wandering around the premises? When I was there in '96 they were everywhere...I have a pic somewhere of one standing next to Anne Boleyn's 'chopping block' that is the size of a dog! Huge and beautiful!
    A fascinating place...with a pitch black history!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack-O-Lantern View Post
    Do they still have those GIGANTIC ravens wandering around the premises? When I was there in '96 they were everywhere...I have a pic somewhere of one standing next to Anne Boleyn's 'chopping block' that is the size of a dog! Huge and beautiful!
    A fascinating place...with a pitch black history!
    Well - find it and post it, Jack! Hurry! You know we love stuff like that! Seriously, I really admire you. You've been everywhere and seen everything. You must have a job where you travel a lot, or are you just independently wealthy?
    For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    Well - find it and post it, Jack! Hurry! You know we love stuff like that! Seriously, I really admire you. You've been everywhere and seen everything. You must have a job where you travel a lot, or are you just independently wealthy?
    Oh thanks SheBoss! Don't I wish I were independently wealthy??!! No I've just made travel a priority in my life, it really is the most important thing to me. I'm not rich, trust me. And because of all my travels in the past, I don't own a home (and probably never will, not here anyway). But if I had to do it all over again, I would...I just feel more in touch with things when I've seen them with my OWN eyes.

    I've been after my 'niece-in-law', who I love dearly--she's only left CA once in her life (to go to Vegas yet!)--to take advantage of her college's exchange program...she's got an offer to go to Spain for 6 months and I'm in the process of BEGGING her on my knees to go. She will be such a better person for it.
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