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    So glad there is a thread for Laurel and Hardy. Some stated earlier in this thread that they were comfort food. That is so right! I find myself smiling while watching L&H, and I don't smile often. Absolutely adore them. Their Roach shorts are my favorites, especially "The Music Box". Been to the stairs on Vendome. Very cool site.

    A couple of anecdotes: Dick Van Dyke found Stan listed in the Santa Monica phone book and called him. That's how they met. His old apartment is now a hotel near the beach.

    In the fifties, Stan and Babe were to have a meeting at the Roosevelt Hotel with someone from the studio for a possible future project. Both were needing work pretty badly at that point, and were pretty excited about this meeting. Come to find out, it was a trick to get them on "This is Your Life" (they seemed to stop at nothing to get people on). Stan was furious but being the gentlemen that they were, they went along. Pretty cruel trick to pull on these guys. I have seen the episode and it's pretty sad. Hal Roach wouldn't show up (read he didn't like Stan), so his son showed up instead. Somewhat awkward show.

    Anyway, L&H will live in my heart forever. They were the best. No matter how many times I have seen their shorts, I still laugh out loud like it was the first time. That's how good they were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    In the fifties, Stan and Babe were to have a meeting at the Roosevelt Hotel with someone from the studio for a possible future project. Both were needing work pretty badly at that point, and were pretty excited about this meeting. Come to find out, it was a trick to get them on "This is Your Life" (they seemed to stop at nothing to get people on). Stan was furious but being the gentlemen that they were, they went along. Pretty cruel trick to pull on these guys. I have seen the episode and it's pretty sad. Hal Roach wouldn't show up (read he didn't like Stan), so his son showed up instead. Somewhat awkward show.
    Both Stan and Babe's wives were consulted prior to the "This is Your Life" surprise, so it would be unfair to call it an ambush by Ralph Edwards. It's true that Stan was unhappy with the show, but only because he was a stickler for perfection, which obviously can't be had on a show that was broadcast live.

    Hal Roach Sr. had, or was in the process of selling his studio to Hal Jr., and perhaps didn't want to steal the spotlight from him. Roach Sr. always had a great respect for Stan & Babe's talent.

    Hal Jr. was also in the process of creating a new television series, "Laurel and Hardy's Fabulous Fables" with Stan and Babe, where the team would again have complete creative control over the series. Before filming could begin, Laurel suffered a stroke. Just as he recovered, Hardy had a massive stroke from which he never recovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludigan View Post
    Both Stan and Babe's wives were consulted prior to the "This is Your Life" surprise, so it would be unfair to call it an ambush by Ralph Edwards. It's true that Stan was unhappy with the show, but only because he was a stickler for perfection, which obviously can't be had on a show that was broadcast live.

    Hal Roach Sr. had, or was in the process of selling his studio to Hal Jr., and perhaps didn't want to steal the spotlight from him. Roach Sr. always had a great respect for Stan & Babe's talent.

    Hal Jr. was also in the process of creating a new television series, "Laurel and Hardy's Fabulous Fables" with Stan and Babe, where the team would again have complete creative control over the series. Before filming could begin, Laurel suffered a stroke. Just as he recovered, Hardy had a massive stroke from which he never recovered.

    Thanks Ludigan. I had read it somewhere years ago, so the source is questionable (as well as my memory). I got out my old Fred Guiles biography about Stan, and reread about the show. You are correct. Also, it was the Knickerbocker hotel, not the Roosevelt. Guess I'm getting too old to retain correct information lately.
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    The GREATEST, god bless them

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    I think that Paul Schrier AKA Bulk from the original Power Rangers series resembles Ollie. All he needs to do is grow a small 'stache and voila!

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    Just read that Stan's daughter passed away a few months ago. Lois was Stan's only child (her younger brother died a few days after birth). Her mom was Stan's 2nd spouse / 1st legal spouse Lois. Stan first had a common-law spouse named Mae Dahlberg, then years after they split up he married Lois. He divorced Lois and married Virginia Ruth, then divorced her and married a totally unstable Russian named Illiana. He divorced Illiana and REMARRIED Virginia Ruth, only to divorce her and finally married another Russian named Ida. Got all that ? "Little Lois" as she was called (her mom was "Big Lois") was married to Rand Brooks (Scarlett O'Hara's first husband in GWTW). I have an old VHS tape, a collection of L&H comedy shorts; at the beginning she narrates while some home videos and family photos are shown. She had a very sweet, gentle voice and only fond memories of her dad and "Uncle Babe" Hardy.

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    This thread is quite an education on one of my favorite duo's. I think it's amazing how timeless their work remains to this day, but even more amazing is the long friendship they had, which was unheard of in those days. Usually there was jealousy that one was getting more attention than the other... I think the chemistry these two had is due in large part to the fact that they were BOTH equally funny, not the straight man/funny guy formula that others employed later. We have a local pizza place in the town where I live called Papa Rollo's, and it has different rooms where they play old comedies like Little Rascals, Looney Tunes and Laurel and Hardy, guess what room we pick?
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    I recommend you read Randy Skretvedt's bio of Laurel & Hardy, also read Simon Louvish's bio

    Randy's interviewed about his updated book on L & H: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0X2ofVuZ_E

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    New movie trailer is up. Stan & Ollie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8br7XzITccs
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    Sad news: we now know that Stan Laurel murdered
    Thelma Todd. (book called: Hot Toddy) by Andy Edmonds.
    Carolyn(1958-2009) always in my heart.

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    Excuse me, we don't know squat about Stan Laurel and Thelma Todd. Somebody has come up with a theory and a book, and all the individuals in orbit around a plot are dead.
    Find DNA and have tested by three independent labs, and I'll believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PooBah McGee View Post
    Excuse me, we don't know squat about Stan Laurel and Thelma Todd. Somebody has come up with a theory and a book, and all the individuals in orbit around a plot are dead. Find DNA and have tested by three independent labs, and I'll believe it!
    Excuse me, it hurts when we hear the truth about famous people we love (like Stan Laurel) George Harrison once said: never meet anybody famous.
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    Stan Laurel did not kill Thelma, I, however believe the mobster that she was rubbing elbows with had her killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkstracy View Post
    Stan Laurel did not kill Thelma, I, however believe the mobster that she was rubbing elbows with had her killed.
    Nope sorry you are wrong, Stan Laurel killed Thelma Todd.
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    I'm afraid it's true - there is a book out about Stan Laurel killing Thelma Todd.
    I saw a very credible looking article about it.
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    A German scientist using Iranian physics and French mathematics.

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    Did you read it on the internet, and what proof does the author of the book have? If you are referring to the book Hot Toddy, I have that book don't remember seeing anything in there about Stan killing her, sorry don't buy it, she was however running around with mobsters.
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    Every reference to Stan killing her is from this year, and all of it comes from the website Crazy Days and Nights, which offers zero proof and has dropped considerably in reliability the last 6 months.

    There was nothing in Hot Toddy about Stan Laurel killing her, the author seemed to think it was the mob.

    Thelma's ex husband, who wouldn't let her into the house and was the reason for her being in the garage said on his deathbed there had been threats from that they ignored and he felt the mob was involved in her death.
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    Thank you Madeline, as I just skimmed over Hot Toddy again and it mentions nothing about Stan Laurel, the website Crazy Days and Nights has no solid proof, I feel it was a mob hit as well, as they owed the mob money, I'll need to read Hot Toddy again but it had something to do with her restaurant.
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    I read Hot Toddy years ago. I too came away believing it was a mob it. I also suspected the ex had something to do with it because he locked her out. I can't remember if he was ever a suspect.

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    I think he was a suspect Cindy, I know he had dealings with the mob, I don't think the ex killed her but I think he knew who did it and why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkstracy View Post
    I think he was a suspect Cindy, I know he had dealings with the mob, I don't think the ex killed her but I think he knew who did it and why.
    It just seems too much of a coincidence that he locked her out the night she was murdered.

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    Exactly Cindy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    It just seems too much of a coincidence that he locked her out the night she was murdered.
    So true, Stan Laurel murdered Thelma Todd.
    Carolyn(1958-2009) always in my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlondon View Post
    So true, Stan Laurel murdered Thelma Todd.
    And your source is? We know it's not Hot Toddy by Edmonds.
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    Proof please, London, He didn't kill her just like Abbie did not kill her parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWrath of MadelineKahn View Post
    New movie trailer is up. Stan & Ollie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8br7XzITccs
    Never knew about this, looks good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    I read Hot Toddy years ago. I too came away believing it was a mob it. I also suspected the ex had something to do with it because he locked her out. I can't remember if he was ever a suspect.
    Very True, but I still think Stan Laurel did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlondon View Post
    Very True, but I still think Stan Laurel did it.
    Which is all the "proof" you have. You are carrying the torch for an unfounded accusation. If Laurel was alive today, he could sue your ass for libel. Or is it slander? Either way, until you have absolutely solid evidence, the accusation is merely words. There is no reference to Thelma Todd linking her to Stan Laurel. Most accepted theory is, she was eliminated for not negotiating with gangsters. Todd was a pretty big star in her day. It's known that Groucho Marx had a big crush on her, developed while they shot Monkey Business together. Why not blame Groucho? Hell, why not blame Harpo?

    Don't pass speculative rumors. Now back to Stan and Ollie, please!

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    I'm surprised by the debate.
    I thought it was a given - Stan Laurel killed Thelma Todd - it was widely known but swept under the rug like lots of Hollywood scandals.

    I didn't know about the Groucho connection until now; although I'd like to hear about a little more evidence of his involvement before I assign any real credibility to the claim.
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    Groucho mentioned has attraction to the pretty blond in one of his many interviews. She was bubbly and full of energy and life. Groucho's first wife, Ruth, was not at his level of wit and his humor was sometimes very pointed and hurtful. She descended into alcoholism and became fat and unattractive. Groucho had an eye for a number of pretty, younger women, but all three of his marriages failed, based largely on mental abuse.

    But back on track for a minute, I've never read anything to show Laurel had motive, or had the time and placement to put him in Todd's garage.

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    That's because he didn't do it
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