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    That's really awesome! If love to have one. About the coolest thing I have is the 4 AUG 1974 WaPo with the Sally Quinn article.

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    Personally I believe that video is real.

    It's too correct to be incorrect. You know what I'm saying.

    My idea is hire a voice analyst. There's some other clips of her speaking on Suncoast Digest. Match them to the "blood and guts" speech on the alleged tape. There.

    Either it's real or fake. But, I believe it's real.

    And, after seeing it. Finally seeing it. I'm shook. That girl wanted out. I hate she did that. And, I hate that people hid the video for so many years. And, now some people are lying to say this isn't it.

    I have no idea why she felt hated though. Or was single. She was pretty, smart, and talented. 29 and a virgin. Insane. Men can be so picky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duffyman View Post
    Definitely not the one I saw years ago. Not saying that makes this one wrong or the one I saw right, or either one one way or the other, just not the same. The one I saw, the victim slumped down slowly after the shot, which blew the hair up from the back of the head. Then a voice from the background said "very funny", before someone ran over and it went black.
    I'm uploading a video to YouTube (RyanChamberlainProductions) with my thoughts on this vid. Watch if you want. NSFW...cursing.But, I would love to hear more about the one you saw. So I can do an eventual update.

    PM me on here or DM on twitter at @rchamberlain87

    This case is so fascinating.

    Also. When it comes to the letter H on the Newswatch logo. I think it's how we are viewing it from the side and then the front. Perspective.
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    I wonder if the employees at WXLT ( WWSB ) despite the movies and stuff still has a gag order not too discuss Chubbuck ??
    Apparently Denver's KOA radio still does with Alan Berg. Even though he was murdered back in 1984 some joker called up Mandy Connell ( the only live and local show on KOA today ) recently and when he mentioned Berg KOA cut him off and switched to a commercial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Fishhead View Post
    I'm uploading a video to YouTube (RyanChamberlainProductions) with my thoughts on this vid. Watch if you want. NSFW...cursing.But, I would love to hear more about the one you saw. So I can do an eventual update.

    PM me on here or DM on twitter at @rchamberlain87

    This case is so fascinating.

    Also. When it comes to the letter H on the Newswatch logo. I think it's how we are viewing it from the side and then the front. Perspective.
    Hey! I tried looking up your vid on YT. Is it under Ryan Chamberlain Productions or all one word? What is it entitled? There's someone there same name but does vids for an MLM. Is this you? I'd love to see the vid and hear your thoughts.
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    Hi everyone

    After ’74 TV suicide’ stations were concerned

    Christine Chubbuck made history five years ago when she committed suicide on live television. Miss Chubbuck had begun her 09:00 a.m. talk show as usual. Shortly after the program began, she pulled a 38-caliber pistol from a bag under her desk. She pointed it at the back of her head and pulled the trigger. Miss Chubbuck left behind a bewildered family, stunned co-workers and – perhaps as last record of a struggle to be noticed – a videotape of her on-the-air suicide.
    THE TAPE now resides in a safe at the station, WXLT-Ch. 40 in Sarasota. And, despite many requests, it will stay there. “We’ve received numerous requests from forensic medicine institutions and professors who have wished to view this tape for educational study.” Says Robert Nelson, WXLT owner. “From criminologists to national magazines, we’ve heard from all of them. But, says Nelson, the tape is not going to be release – ever. “We’ve decided that it is in the best interest of everyone concerned not to release this tape. It will just be filled away with other matters of station importance.” ...

    By Cindy Alspaugh, St. Petersburg Times (now Tampa Bay Times)
    August 5, 1979
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    Hi, smfr! This post violates Rule 7: Follow all copyright, fair-use, and licensing guidelines. You need to trim this down to a couple of paragraphs and leave a link to the rest.

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    Wow. Our answer was there in that article the entire time! Great find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael555 View Post
    Wow. Our answer was there in that article the entire time! Great find.
    What's the answer? I don't really want to have to subscribe to find out.
    Sincerely yours,
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    This would be the tape that the former station owners widow announced is being kept in some lawyers safe?

    IIRC there was some discussion that the tape itself might not really exist in a viewable state. Supposedly videotape from that era degrades and becomes unviewable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWrath of MadelineKahn View Post
    This would be the tape that the former station owners widow announced is being kept in some lawyers safe?

    IIRC there was some discussion that the tape itself might not really exist in a viewable state. Supposedly videotape from that era degrades and becomes unviewable.
    It all depends under what conditions the tape was stored.

    Quote Originally Posted by Upset View Post
    What's the answer? I don't really want to have to subscribe to find out.
    It’s an article from the St Petersburg Times in 1979 that basically says Robert Nelson doesn’t plan on ever releasing the tape and that it’s in a safe. We always had wondered if the family got ahold of the tape or if the station had a copy and the answer was right there in that article the entire time.
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    Fake / not fake? As someone who's spent a lot of time dealing with old video recordings, I'd come down on the side of a very good fake...

    The video quality is what you'd expect from a third or fourth generation VHS dub. To those who correctly point out that the original broadcast was in colour, I'd offer the following: after a recording goes down a few generations in quality, the colour often goes. Going from a broadcast format (2" quad) to a domestic (VHS) format also contributes to that. And, while the original would be in colour, dubs may not - it depends on the format of the original recording, the playback machine, and the machine the dub was recorded to. Not the tape itself - videotape isn't like film; no "colour" stock and "black and white" stock. Videotape is videotape - record colour onto it, and it will play back in colour. It comes down to the machines, and compatibility. For example, U-matic VT machines came in "high-band" and "low-band" - play a colour high-band tape on a low-band machine, and it comes out black & white.

    And, if the dub came from an earlier dub done in "long play", that multiplies it all.

    The sound distortion is a lot worse than I'd expect, but there could be numerous tech reasons for that - audio output level from the playback machine overloading the recording machine, etc.

    I don't see much in the technical aspect of the footage which screams "fake"; it's all pretty consistent with a much-copied, much-played piece of footage. I have videotapes recorded off-air in the mid-1980's that are in similar shape.

    It's the actual content...

    The camera angle, yeah - just based on forty-odd years of watching newscasts, I'd expect a mid-bulletin shot to be "head and shoulders" rather than the full set. Generally, you'd have a full set shot at the very beginning of the broadcast, and just before cutting to (and coming back from) a commercial break. They'd go to a full set shot if a graphic of some sort was to be featured on the set to the right of the presenter, but not on a single-camera set-up, which is how they appear to have done the WXLT news set.

    To those saying "it may be the vision from the other camera", nup - the only vision that gets recorded is what's actually going to air. Those in the control booth would have a feed from each camera visible on the monitors, but it wouldn't be recorded. The contemporary reports (police and Quinn) both make clear that Christine was in a "head and shoulders" shot when she began the segment.

    The ticker / captioning - no, it wouldn't have gone to air like that, and wouldn't have been recorded like that (for starters, "ABC" is a network term, surely a tape recorded in-house at an affiliate would have said "WXLT" instead?). The captioning is clearly later (80's, I'd say). Normally, I'd say it was just put there later as a reference, but the clock bugs me - I can't see how it would be possible to have the actual broadcast time displayed on a caption added years later.

    And the body slamming into the desk seems far too violent - rather than slumping forward, it appears to be a deliberate launching. I can't see how a body could fall forward at such speed unassisted.

    With regard to Mollie Nelson and Greg Chubbuck ever allowing the original tape to surface, I can't see it happening - certainly not the actual suicide.

    But, I genuinely can't see a problem with the earlier portions of the program being released - the program opening, and Christine reading the first couple of stories. Say, everything up to her throwing to the film that jammed, or perhaps coming back from it.

    My own feeling is that Christine actually wanted people to see it - after all, she made a point of ensuring that the show would be recorded that morning, which it normally wasn't (unless a guest requested a copy). And, it really would be nice to have another piece of footage of Christine. Years of discussion, analyzing, and speculation over someone of whom only one piece of footage (or, multiple pieces from the same episode) is publicly viewable. Her looking at the camera - at us - and saying "Hello, I'm Christine Chubbuck" would mean a lot. It would turn her from a conversation point into an actual person.

    But, much comes down to the way the tape has been stored over the years. There's an industry saying - "videotape won't wait". It deteriorates. 2" quad can get to the point where the reel has to be placed in an oven and lightly baked to get into a playable state. The tape sheds oxide particles, which gum up the playback heads.

    The ultimate irony would be that the decision is made to release the tape, and it's found to be completely unplayable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keats View Post
    Fake / not fake? As someone who's spent a lot of time dealing with old video recordings, I'd come down on the side of a very good fake...

    The video quality is what you'd expect from a third or fourth generation VHS dub. To those who correctly point out that the original broadcast was in colour, I'd offer the following: after a recording goes down a few generations in quality, the colour often goes. Going from a broadcast format (2" quad) to a domestic (VHS) format also contributes to that. And, while the original would be in colour, dubs may not - it depends on the format of the original recording, the playback machine, and the machine the dub was recorded to. Not the tape itself - videotape isn't like film; no "colour" stock and "black and white" stock. Videotape is videotape - record colour onto it, and it will play back in colour. It comes down to the machines, and compatibility. For example, U-matic VT machines came in "high-band" and "low-band" - play a colour high-band tape on a low-band machine, and it comes out black & white.

    And, if the dub came from an earlier dub done in "long play", that multiplies it all.

    The sound distortion is a lot worse than I'd expect, but there could be numerous tech reasons for that - audio output level from the playback machine overloading the recording machine, etc.

    I don't see much in the technical aspect of the footage which screams "fake"; it's all pretty consistent with a much-copied, much-played piece of footage. I have videotapes recorded off-air in the mid-1980's that are in similar shape.

    It's the actual content...

    The camera angle, yeah - just based on forty-odd years of watching newscasts, I'd expect a mid-bulletin shot to be "head and shoulders" rather than the full set. Generally, you'd have a full set shot at the very beginning of the broadcast, and just before cutting to (and coming back from) a commercial break. They'd go to a full set shot if a graphic of some sort was to be featured on the set to the right of the presenter, but not on a single-camera set-up, which is how they appear to have done the WXLT news set.

    To those saying "it may be the vision from the other camera", nup - the only vision that gets recorded is what's actually going to air. Those in the control booth would have a feed from each camera visible on the monitors, but it wouldn't be recorded. The contemporary reports (police and Quinn) both make clear that Christine was in a "head and shoulders" shot when she began the segment.

    The ticker / captioning - no, it wouldn't have gone to air like that, and wouldn't have been recorded like that (for starters, "ABC" is a network term, surely a tape recorded in-house at an affiliate would have said "WXLT" instead?). The captioning is clearly later (80's, I'd say). Normally, I'd say it was just put there later as a reference, but the clock bugs me - I can't see how it would be possible to have the actual broadcast time displayed on a caption added years later.

    And the body slamming into the desk seems far too violent - rather than slumping forward, it appears to be a deliberate launching. I can't see how a body could fall forward at such speed unassisted.

    With regard to Mollie Nelson and Greg Chubbuck ever allowing the original tape to surface, I can't see it happening - certainly not the actual suicide.

    But, I genuinely can't see a problem with the earlier portions of the program being released - the program opening, and Christine reading the first couple of stories. Say, everything up to her throwing to the film that jammed, or perhaps coming back from it.

    My own feeling is that Christine actually wanted people to see it - after all, she made a point of ensuring that the show would be recorded that morning, which it normally wasn't (unless a guest requested a copy). And, it really would be nice to have another piece of footage of Christine. Years of discussion, analyzing, and speculation over someone of whom only one piece of footage (or, multiple pieces from the same episode) is publicly viewable. Her looking at the camera - at us - and saying "Hello, I'm Christine Chubbuck" would mean a lot. It would turn her from a conversation point into an actual person.

    But, much comes down to the way the tape has been stored over the years. There's an industry saying - "videotape won't wait". It deteriorates. 2" quad can get to the point where the reel has to be placed in an oven and lightly baked to get into a playable state. The tape sheds oxide particles, which gum up the playback heads.

    The ultimate irony would be that the decision is made to release the tape, and it's found to be completely unplayable...
    You definitely make some good points.
    Sincerely yours,
    Upset

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