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    Quote Originally Posted by Miho View Post
    Thats hilarious. Where do you find this stuff? I swear I'm going to make you my top researcher if I ever need to dig deep into something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    Thats hilarious. Where do you find this stuff? I swear I'm going to make you my top researcher if I ever need to dig deep into something.

    One of my talents is internet searching. I am chock full of useless knowledge.
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    I started watching United 93 last night and I had a thought that plane was delayed on the runway for a short moment, what would have happened if that plane never took off? Would they have attacked on the ground? I know we would never know but it makes you wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky_Stone View Post
    I started watching United 93 last night
    Good movie. An interesting production fact is that the actors who played the passengers and the highjackers were kept completely seperate when not filming. They stayed at seperate hotels and didn't eat together in order to make sure that there was no friendly off camera interactions. They wanted the tension to be genuine (at least as much as you can muster in a movie).

    Also, it is a real time movie so the events depicted on the plane from take off to crash was the exact real life timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    Good movie. An interesting production fact is that the actors who played the passengers and the highjackers were kept completely seperate when not filming. They stayed at seperate hotels and didn't eat together in order to make sure that there was no friendly off camera interactions. They wanted the tension to be genuine (at least as much as you can muster in a movie).

    Also, it is a real time movie so the events depicted on the plane from take off to crash was the exact real life timing.
    The tension got to me. I kept saying to myself, get off the plane. Those poor people had no idea how their day would end. So very sad. Also when they were watching the other planes in the air, then they went off the screen I felt my heart miss a beat. Going to watch the end tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miho View Post
    Got a magnifying glass? These are the top ten?
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    Quote Originally Posted by neilmpenny View Post
    Got a magnifying glass? These are the top ten?
    Doggoneit...I can't see a thing either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilmpenny View Post
    Got a magnifying glass? These are the top ten?
    *L* I figured if anyone wanted pictures to do "business" to that is what porn is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky_Stone View Post
    The tension got to me. I kept saying to myself, get off the plane. Those poor people had no idea how their day would end. So very sad. Also when they were watching the other planes in the air, then they went off the screen I felt my heart miss a beat. Going to watch the end tonight
    I doubt if anything would have changed for those people but I keep wondering if maybe...just maybe if they had acted sooner... But, because a hijacker held the fate of that plane in his hands whatever and whenever the passengers acted, it was all futile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    I doubt if anything would have changed for those people but I keep wondering if maybe...just maybe if they had acted sooner... But, because a hijacker held the fate of that plane in his hands whatever and whenever the passengers acted, it was all futile.

    I wonder too that even if they did subdue the hijackers they wouldn't have been able to fly the plane anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miho View Post
    I wonder too that even if they did subdue the hijackers they wouldn't have been able to fly the plane anyway...

    Unfortunately, it's not like on TV or in the movies, where ATC gives instruction to a complete novice over the radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynful View Post
    Unfortunately, it's not like on TV or in the movies, where ATC gives instruction to a complete novice over the radio.
    Actually it gets pretty close. The plane can pretty much land itself with the autopilot once programmed properly which is more about computers then actually flying. It is not optimal ofcourse but I'll take my chances of that over suicidal terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    Actually it gets pretty close. The plane can pretty much land itself with the autopilot once programmed properly which is more about computers then actually flying. It is not optimal ofcourse but I'll take my chances of that over suicidal terrorists.

    Yes Pauli, you are right- I wasn't thinking about the capabilities of the auto pilot. I recently saw some of the most ridiculous aviation scenes in "Walker: Texas Ranger"- they were ultra stupid. (Please don't laugh...I only happened to catch them when changing channels.)

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    Someone emailed me the following link and I was amazed enough to share it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFkZ...layer_embedded

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonnaMc View Post
    Someone emailed me the following link and I was amazed enough to share it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFkZ...layer_embedded
    Rolf Harris used to do this on TV back in the 60's and he wasted far less paint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miho View Post
    I wonder too that even if they did subdue the hijackers they wouldn't have been able to fly the plane anyway...
    In the movie one of them said he could fly a single engine, which is a whole other ballgame.

    And let me edit my statement of futility: It was futile for them but they did save a bunch of lives by giving their own so that plane would not reach it's target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    I doubt if anything would have changed for those people but I keep wondering if maybe...just maybe if they had acted sooner... But, because a hijacker held the fate of that plane in his hands whatever and whenever the passengers acted, it was all futile.
    I watched the whole film and well they were so brave to fight back. I was sobbing at the end. If only they acted sooner but fate was set that day.......so very sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    Actually it gets pretty close. The plane can pretty much land itself with the autopilot once programmed properly which is more about computers then actually flying. It is not optimal ofcourse but I'll take my chances of that over suicidal terrorists.

    Hell if death is going to happen regardless I would like Bob Smith fly the plane. There was nothing to lose. No everyone can be Karen Black.
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    you can't see shit, just blurry skin.


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    Wow, this caught my eye....http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...192558839.html

    Can't imagine lying about something like that. He will never live that down.
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    Nobody who knows him will ever look at him the same way again. Every time he opens his mouth, people will wonder if he is telling the truth or lying. I would be worried about the bad karma coming back to me if I was him. He must be so embarassed.

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    For some reason, I got on a 9/11 kick and read through this thread. I could have sworn I posted this article, but apparently I just thought about it. Anyway, interesting from a DH perspective.

    (Several articles on this, but I liked this one).

    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/col...families.shtml

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    Thanks for posting that, Racingfan. I agree with the families who feel like the unindentified remains deserve to be in a memorial instead of a museum and should be accessible to the families 24/7 without having to pay $20 for the museum admission. That just seems tacky and tasteless to me as well as being insensitive to the victim's families.

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    As it is, it's taken so much time to ID these remains. These poor families need some sort of resolution. Some would call it closure. Regardless, even as a death hag, the idea of housing the remains in the museum is just ghoulish to me.

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    So are these remains that they can't identify?
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    Quote Originally Posted by racingfan View Post
    As it is, it's taken so much time to ID these remains. These poor families need some sort of resolution. Some would call it closure. Regardless, even as a death hag, the idea of housing the remains in the museum is just ghoulish to me.
    Like a "tomb of the unknown solder" memorial. Ground zero or a local cemetery would be appropriate.
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    Yes, Miho, the remains aren't identified. It blew me away when I found out that the scrap from the towers was taken to a landfill to sift for human remains. That is just so disrespectful sounding since it is a landfill. The unidentified remains being housed in a museum where an admission is charged is just adding insult to injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammy View Post
    Yes, Miho, the remains aren't identified. It blew me away when I found out that the scrap from the towers was taken to a landfill to sift for human remains. That is just so disrespectful sounding since it is a landfill. The unidentified remains being housed in a museum where an admission is charged is just adding insult to injury.
    Landfill called Fresh Kills, if you can imagine that.
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    Yeah, the name of the landfill is just some extra irony to salt their wounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamiele View Post
    Landfill called Fresh Kills, if you can imagine that.
    Ugh, that's horrible lol.

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    I was just reading about that, too. It must be hard enough knowing that you'll never get the remains (or ALL the remains) of your loved one back, but it's got to be 1000 times worse to know that they've been thrown in a landfill, like so much garbage.

    And the museum idea, what the heck? They don't have cemeteries in NY where these people could be interred in peace?

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    9-11 is the biggest lie in human history!

    9-11 is the biggest LIE in human history. The average, simpleton masses believe it...but the truth is really out there. This was pre-planned by the United States and Israel...especially Israel for global control and economic/war gains.

    9-11 was made a reality so JEWS and wealthy power players could continue to control the United States, the world and the world economy.

    Not going to happen. The truth WILL come out...and when it does...it will signal the absolute and total end to Israel and the EVIL ZIONIST ENTITY.

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    Jew bashing is so 1939. And it's not the Jews that are going to bring down the world. It's the Commies. or wait. Obama. Or wait Kim Kardashian.

    I can't remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seagorath View Post
    9-11 is the biggest LIE in human history. The average, simpleton masses believe it...but the truth is really out there. This was pre-planned by the United States and Israel...especially Israel for global control and economic/war gains.

    9-11 was made a reality so JEWS and wealthy power players could continue to control the United States, the world and the world economy.

    Not going to happen. The truth WILL come out...and when it does...it will signal the absolute and total end to Israel and the EVIL ZIONIST ENTITY.
    I thought it was the EVIL ZOMBIE ENTITY, trying to recruit by force...

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    difficult to condemn the ME's office in this case. I read the book DEAD CENTER by Shiya Ribowsky. He explains in detail the difficult task facing the ME's office after 9/11. They did their best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cash View Post
    difficult to condemn the ME's office in this case. I read the book DEAD CENTER by Shiya Ribowsky. He explains in detail the difficult task dacing the ME's office after 9/11. They did their best.
    I can imagine...there was so little left and what was still around was scattered. They still deserve to be treated with more respect than this :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash View Post
    difficult to condemn the ME's office in this case. I read the book DEAD CENTER by Shiya Ribowsky. He explains in detail the difficult task facing the ME's office after 9/11. They did their best.
    I have to read that book. I have wondered about all of the different ways that people died in 9/11. How many died instantly? How many were alive but were never rescued in time?? How many burned alive with all of the flare ups?? I have a morbid (but reverent) curiosity about that. Anyhow, thanks for mentioning that book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djen View Post
    I was just reading about that, too. It must be hard enough knowing that you'll never get the remains (or ALL the remains) of your loved one back, but it's got to be 1000 times worse to know that they've been thrown in a landfill, like so much garbage.

    And the museum idea, what the heck? They don't have cemeteries in NY where these people could be interred in peace?
    I think that it sounds worse that it really is. The task was almost insurmountable and hugely daunting. The city of New York had to handle it the best they could - and they were handling their own citizens so I think we can assume they did all they could to handle the remains in the most respectful manner. That's just my opinion. Maybe if I had a loved-one who died in that I might feel differently.
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    I was honored to meet Edie Lutnick this past week. She has written a book called "Unbroken Bond" and I am enjoying it. She is a very sweet woman and her pain breaks my heart.
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    Sorry if this clip been posted already in here

    you know i been just glued to reading articles, and listening to tapes. and things don't bother me, but hearing this man scream to his death and the flustration before hearing the loud crash of the building is just haunting as hell! I heard some of this convo on a doc but they didnt play the whole thing. and my god. i pray his death was quick. I lost a friend in the south towers, as i wear a tattoo of a cross on my leg with his memory, and maybe im just numb but it doesnt bother me looking at pics, hearing the tapes but this man, kevin cosgrove just ugh, i feel so sick.

    Warning sensitive 911 call

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    I listened to that on YouTube before and afterwards I kept wishing I had never heard it. Those people had to have been so helpless and terrified. It was awful to hear him say that he had children and he was too young to die. It is a haunting 911 call and so is the one of Melissa Doi. Melissa was so panicked and terrified and kept saying "I'm going to die! I'm going to die! I'm going to die, aren't I?" as she begged for help. I'm sure the families of Kevin and Melissa have heard the tapes and it must tear their hearts out.

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    i havent heard melissa doi yet. I probably shouldnt, but im one of those people if you at least listen, its keeping them alive in a small sense. Like the videos of my mom, it breaks my heart every time, but i at least get to see her smile, laugh and hear her voice, that i once was starting to forget what it sound like, ya know?


    I can't imagine people the loved ones behind and hearing these tapes of their screams, cries and calmness.

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    Melissa's call is on YouTube, too. I totally understand what you mean about looking at things that remind you of a deceased loved one. It is painful, but it still is a lasting way to keep someone you love close to you and give you happy memories from when they were still with you. One of my distant cousins posted a picture of my Mamaw and her siblings on Facebook that was taken just seven months before Mamaw died. She died in 1983 and I had never seen the picture before or even knew it existed. Even while I was shaking all over and bawling my eyes out, it still felt good to see her face nearly thirty years after the picture was taken. I saved the picture and look at it several times a week.

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    awe bless melissa! i assume she died on the phone? Did they ever recovered anything of hers? i tried to get the full 31 mins version but melissa is bleeped out and its just the operator speaking. so i heard the 4 mins one.

    oh wow mammy! Thats like seeing a ghost basicly. That would send a world of different emotions and such! But i totally understand. Glad you was able to see that photo, while sad the hurt came back but happy cause you got to see her again

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    my god, i didn't know the odds of finding intact bodies and such. i figured most just went poof! with the fuel and intense heat, and cremated most of the bodies. but my god to find parts here and there and have no clue who it belong to had to be unimaginable!

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/bodies.html

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    Melissa worked on the 83rd floor of the building and was on the 44th floor during her 911 call. I'm assuming she was trying to get out of the building and that was as far as she got. I found an entry for her on Find A Grave and it listed her remains as being at the National September 11 Memorial, so I'm assuming she was never found. She was very pretty and it's horrible to know what happened to her. Her 911 call is just heartbreaking.

    It's hard to believe that so many people were killed in those buildings and airplanes and no trace of them was ever found. How could a person have any kind of a decent life knowing that someone they love died the way these people did and there is nothing left of them at all? I saw a picture somewhere that showed body parts laying everywhere in the street just after the towers collapsed and there were empty shoes laying everywhere. These buildings came down and obliterated the majority of the people in them, office furniture, computers, and many other large things and it just looked so weird to see these shoes laying everywhere and pieces of paper. It seems like they would have been destroyed, too.

    It was like seeing a ghost when I saw the picture of my Mamaw. I just randomly saw the picture and never expected it and was immediately sobbing. It scared my husband because he didn't know what was going on and I was crying so hard that all I could do was point at the computer screen. I'm glad the picture exists even though it hurts to look at it.

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...6&GRid=6447743 This is Melissa's memorial.

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    ugh. just seeing Melissa beautiful smile and hearing her voice the way i heard it, actually makes me ill. Even though i never knew her, i hurt like i lost a friend. No one should ever die in fear, pain..etc and to have that 911 dispatcher on the other line, had to be as close to an angel for the hell she was burning in to give her some hope til she took her last earthly breath. Unlike poor mr. Costgrove, he didnt get a peaceful ending, god knows if he was being crushed, feeling the floor drop from under him or what knots in his few seconds of oh go oh! ugh. RIP all of them. I don't know why im so into the whole thing now, i guess being 20 at the time if was a tragic thing but not as i am now in my 30s, I just wish i could hold ever single one of them and tell them its ok when this shit was going down.

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    It's almost too much to let your mind wander and think about what they all went through before dying. We know they were scared, having a hard time breathing, they could feel the heat from the fires burning on other floors, and a lot of them didn't even know what had happened as it was all going on. The jumpers especially have always bothered me. What kind of choice is it to choose whether to burn alive or jump out of a building over 100 stories tall? They had no idea the building would collapse either. I do the same thing as you. I'll get really into a particular tragedy and just focus on it to the point of obsession until I can't find out anything else about it. There were also many pregnant women who lost their husbands that day and their children are growing up without ever knowing their Dads and that is so sad, too. It all was just unbearably tragic and I'll never forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash View Post
    difficult to condemn the ME's office in this case. I read the book DEAD CENTER by Shiya Ribowsky. He explains in detail the difficult task facing the ME's office after 9/11. They did their best.
    Ordered from my library, thanks!

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