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    Toronto Billionaire & Wife ... Murder Or Murder\Suicide ?

    This has got to be one strange case. They were found this past Friday in their home, later reports say they died of strangulation. What this article does not say is that they were found hanging from a railing by their indoor pool. No sign of a struggle, no forced entry from what they are saying. The family (they have 4 kids) strongly dispute the murder\suicide theory. Hmm, my first instincts after hearing this was they had to have known their killer(s) if it was indeed murder. By all accounts they were a very down to earth couple that were loved by all. But, when you have a net worth of 4.7 billion something went wrong somewhere. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37363712/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    This has got to be one strange case. They were found this past Friday in their home, later reports say they died of strangulation. What this article does not say is that they were found hanging from a railing by their indoor pool. No sign of a struggle, no forced entry from what they are saying. The family (they have 4 kids) strongly dispute the murder\suicide theory. Hmm, my first instincts after hearing this was they had to have known their killer(s) if it was indeed murder. By all accounts they were a very down to earth couple that were loved by all. But, when you have a net worth of 4.7 billion something went wrong somewhere. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37363712/
    murder/suicide I would bet some health problems

    https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...colony-rd.html

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    I'm going with that also. If that was the case it's very sad.
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    I think the official call will be whatever the Family pays for.
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    Interesting how this is playing out. One paper says he was the salt of the earth, while another claims he was a deplorable human being. Taking all the advantages of his company to make even more money by selling generic drugs at a higher cost. Involved in many law suits with other companies, suing the builders of his home, and a family member who had sued him for a share of his nearly 5 billion dollar empire. Sounds like there might have been trouble coming their way, so suicide might have been the option to avoid whatever. Or, murder for hire if people were pissed off with them.
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    So sad to hear about the deaths in Canada both
    were wonderful people( from what I read) who did so much for the
    working class and poor people of Canada.

    They will be missed.
    Carolyn(1958-2009) always in my heart.

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    The majority of the articles I have read said they were wonderful people. Very giving of their time and money, but there is always a dark side to anyone's lives. Regardless of what happened it is a very sad ending for them.
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    I am not getting a murder suicide vibe from this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkstracy View Post
    I am not getting a murder suicide vibe from this.
    At first I thought that it was. Now I do think that it was murder, more details are emerging that point to that. Police are still tight lipped on it, but they seem headed towards that conclusion.
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    I haven't read the new details, I see what my gut says then I wait and then read up on it months later to see if I was right.
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    Update - Canadian police are notorious secretive in cases like this which can lead to more problems - they learned nothing from the Bernardo/Homolka mess from 25 years ago.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...re-couple.html


    https://nypost.com/2017/12/23/billio...icious-deaths/
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    Quote Originally Posted by cash View Post
    Update - Canadian police are notorious secretive in cases like this which can lead to more problems - they learned nothing from the Bernardo/Homolka mess from 25 years ago.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...re-couple.html


    https://nypost.com/2017/12/23/billio...icious-deaths/
    see post #4
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    Ligature marks on the necks of both victims strongly suggest they were both strangled, then strung up to make it look like he killed his wife, then himself, but the marks left by the nooses failed to conceal that. Likely double homicide.

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    As I said not getting a suicide vibe from this one.
    "My Darling Girl ,when are you going to realize that being normal is not necessarily a virtue? It rather denotes a lack of courage." ~Aunt Frances~ #METOO grandpa Jan 8,1927-March 9, 2006 Grandma Nov 6, 1926-June 28, 2018. Forever loved and missed always in my heart.

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    Still a lot of speculation but nothing yet. A photo from the memorial, I would venture to say someone in that room knows something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    Still a lot of speculation but nothing yet. A photo from the memorial, I would venture to say someone in that room knows something.
    I'd have agreed with you a year or two ago.
    But in the age of a President named Trump, I'll venture to say that a lot of the people in that room don't know something about anything.

    OK - we're hearing talk of murder.
    We're hearing talk of suicide.
    We're hearing talk of murder-suicide.

    Has anybody stopped to think that it might have just been a tragic accident?
    A faulty hypothesis forming:
    A German scientist using Iranian physics and French mathematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StudioJoe View Post
    Ligature marks on the necks of both victims strongly suggest they were both strangled, then strung up to make it look like he killed his wife, then himself, but the marks left by the nooses failed to conceal that. Likely double homicide.
    True, I could see this happen.
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    You have a point, but even in the age of Trump and Trudeau, there is always someone who knows something. As for tragic accident, there is only one way I can think that might have occurred. They were playing a game, you never know what goes on behind closed doors.
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    Looks like it's murder for hire. Now it's the who and why. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...urces-say.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    Looks like it's murder for hire. Now it's the who and why. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...urces-say.html
    not one press conference on over a month - I hate the Canadian justice system and the Toronto Police in particular. Remember Homolka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash View Post
    not one press conference on over a month - I hate the Canadian justice system and the Toronto Police in particular. Remember Homolka.
    I know, it irks me how it's run. As for Homolka, don't get me going ! Let's hope they do what's right for the men who have gone missing, and likely murdered by Bruce McArthur. I lived at Carlton and Church for years, know the area inside out. It gives me the chills thinking about it.
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    Knew it. Double murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    Looks like it's murder for hire. Now it's the who and why. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...urces-say.html
    This would seem to rule out my "tragic accident" theory.
    Some of those details make me wonder how it was ever considered murder\suicide.
    I wonder what the motive could be?
    A faulty hypothesis forming:
    A German scientist using Iranian physics and French mathematics.

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    I called it, if you read my first post I said I don't get a suicide vibe from this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkstracy View Post
    I called it, if you read my first post I said I don't get a suicide vibe from this.
    You called it right. More info that it was the work of multiple killers, and they had died on Dec. 13 two days before they were found. When the investigation wraps their children want the house to be demolished. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...urce-1.4496686
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    you can hear the sound of crickets from the Toronto Police Service

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    police to give first update today

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...date-1.4505259

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    update - still no arrest almost 5 months in. Toronto police.....terrible

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-homicide.html

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    Let's not forget about Doug (drug dealer ) Ford.
    I wonder what his people have to do with this
    double murder.
    Both Barry and Honey Sherman knew that Doug and Rob Ford
    had many things to hide since the early 1980s.
    Carolyn(1958-2009) always in my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlondon View Post
    Let's not forget about Doug (drug dealer ) Ford.
    I wonder what his people have to do with this
    double murder.
    Both Barry and Honey Sherman knew that Doug and Rob Ford
    had many things to hide since the early 1980s.
    Premier Doug Ford - get used to it.

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    Sadly, I think Doug Ford will die soon because like
    brother Rob he is also into booze, drugs, and too much
    fast food every day.

    Don't feel sorry for the man because being born with a
    silver spoon in his mouth so hates the blue-collar workers.
    (just like his hero Donald Trump)
    Carolyn(1958-2009) always in my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlondon View Post
    Sadly, I think Doug Ford will die soon because like
    brother Rob he is also into booze, drugs, and too much
    fast food every day.

    Don't feel sorry for the man because being born with a
    silver spoon in his mouth so hates the blue-collar workers.
    (just like his hero Donald Trump)
    Maybe Ford and Trump should pair up and run together as a matched set.
    In Canada.
    A faulty hypothesis forming:
    A German scientist using Iranian physics and French mathematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash View Post
    Premier Doug Ford - get used to it.
    He will get in absolutely. Now, back to the Sherman case, I agree with you on the police, incompetent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimC View Post
    Maybe Ford and Trump should pair up and run together as a matched set.
    In Canada.
    So true because they are one in the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cash View Post
    Premier Doug Ford - get used to it.
    Nope never going to happen because good always will
    triumph over racist evil.
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    Family offers $10 million reward. The Toronto cops botched it.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...onto-1.4878887
    Last edited by cash; 10-26-2018 at 04:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash View Post
    Family offers $10,000 reward. The Toronto cops botched it.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...onto-1.4878887
    True, the Toronto cops botched it.
    Maybe the family needs to up the reward
    for people to spill.
    Carolyn(1958-2009) always in my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlondon View Post
    True, the Toronto cops botched it.
    Maybe the family needs to up the reward
    for people to spill.
    It's $10 million they are offering. And yes, the cops really goofed on this one. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...on-leading-to/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    It's $10 million they are offering. And yes, the cops really goofed on this one. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...on-leading-to/
    Yes I agree, Thank you for posting the Globe and Mail story.
    (because the G and M now have a Pay Wall on line)
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    Really? I guess it depends on where you are in Canada. I'm close to Toronto, so I can still access it for free... for now ! Does Doug Ford have anything to do with this ? LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    Really? I guess it depends on where you are in Canada. I'm close to Toronto, so I can still access it for free... for now ! Does Doug Ford have anything to do with this ? LOL.
    Yes you are 100 percent right. The Globe and Mail and The Toronto Star
    both have now a paywall to read there newspapers on line.
    (Anywhere outside of the Toronto area)
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