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    i AM NOT SURE WHY I AM DRAWN TO THE SNF "BEFORE THE FIRE" VIDEO ON YOUTUBE THAT IS SET TO AN UPBEAT TUNE OF THE DALLAS SOAP OPERA OPENING THEME...BUT I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS WHICH I AM NOT SURE IF THEY WERE ANSWERED IN THIS THREAD OR THE FIRST SNF THREAD BUUUUT I WILL SEE IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER...


    BUT WAS THE GUY/GIRL SMILING AT 0:56 IDENTIFIED...OR THE GUY AT 1:03...OR THE GUY THAT YOU CATCH AT A GLIMPSE AT 1:05/1:06 IN RIGHT HAND CORNER...OR THE GIRL IN THE RIGHT AT 1:09...OR THE OTHER GIRL AT 1:10/1:11 IN SAME RIGHT HAND CORNER...OR GUY AT 1:19/1:20 WITH GLASSES...AND DID THEY SURVIVE? THIS HAS BEEN PLAGGING MY BRAIN AS I LOVE THIS VIDEO AND AM HAPPY/SAD AT PEOPLE HAVING A GOOD TIME AND KNOWING WHAT COMES ONLY MINUTES LATER...SOME I CAN ACTUALLY IDENTIFY AS I AGREE WITH PREVIOUS IDENTIFICATIONS BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN/HAVE SAW...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wWktCkulV0

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    There was a debate earlier in the thread about the person at 1:05-1:06 giving the thumbs up. Someone else thought it was Kevin Washburn. I thought it was Tina "Blackie" Ayer. That person is also shown at 1:00-1:01. As the camera approaches, she or he has very long, dark (black for "Blackie?") hair that goes well below the shoulders. The camera angle does not show how far the hair continues. The resolution is poor, but it looks like there is an indent in the top of the hair from one of those U-shaped headbands. It's common for women to control their long hair with those devices, but not for men. Men either tie up long hair into a ponytail or let it freely fall.

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    You guys are sending me back to the pre-show pronto. But I have some unfinished Barylick biz first.


    Okay, there are three more things I want Barylick to consider if he ever updates "Killer Show."

    1.) Please give Brian Butler credit for kicking out the small panel at the atrium/greenhouse. We actually see it save lives--and yet his deed goes entirely unmentioned in the book.

    2.) A big deal is made out of the fact that State Fire Marshall Owen's nephew was at The Station that night. He's said to have been taken to Rhode Island Hospital, but he's never ever identified. Name please? (I think it's Christopher Nowicki.)

    3.) According to Barylick: "...the inward-opening [stage] door, while a repeated fire code violation, played no part in the outcome; it is seen on the Butler video wide open during the entire event."

    No, it is seen wide open from the 5:00 minute mark on. And that's far from the entire event. Walter Castle barely survived while wrestling with that door earlier. It's wide open at 5:00 because Castle busted the hinges. Walter Castle's Grand Jury testimony is pretty intense. (side note: wonder who dropped the square-shaped tambourine seen on the ground?)

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    Where's Lt. Frank, the Dexter of photo I.D.ers?

    0:56 - we're seeing a line of people standing in the slightly elevated area to the left of the stage. Unknown guy>Richard DelSanto>Cathy Carignan>probably Lisa Kelly (D)>unknown guy>Ray Beauchaine (in blue).

    0:57 - probably Bonnie Hamelin (D) (above blue jacket; upper left corner). You have to pause it at the very instant Tracy King begins his bar journey.

    1:03 - Tracy K. approaches William Cartwright (D) (left) and Kevin Washburn (D) (right). Then to mugging, smoking James Dufresne. (Lt. Frank gave us a current photo of him in the last few pages.)

    1:05/1:06 - Could be Washburn again with the harsh lighting distorting him some. But I agree with RLady that it's more likely a female, and quite possibly Tina Ayer.

    1:07 - That's Christopher Travis in the orange-striped Harley D. jacket. He'll be using it to filter his air-intake soon.

    1:09 - ??

    1:10/1:11 - ?

    1:19/1:20 - ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodentLady View Post
    There was a debate earlier in the thread about the person at 1:05-1:06 giving the thumbs up. Someone else thought it was Kevin Washburn. I thought it was Tina "Blackie" Ayer. That person is also shown at 1:00-1:01. As the camera approaches, she or he has very long, dark (black for "Blackie?") hair that goes well below the shoulders. The camera angle does not show how far the hair continues. The resolution is poor, but it looks like there is an indent in the top of the hair from one of those U-shaped headbands. It's common for women to control their long hair with those devices, but not for men. Men either tie up long hair into a ponytail or let it freely fall.

    in which video??


    and i wonder who is guy in classes at 1:19 in the before video as well...
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    The video you linked to in post #1101.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodentLady View Post
    The video you linked to in post #1101.


    gotcha. I need try to go back and look at all the identifications that were made...maybe one day we can have a thread with all screenshots/identifications all in one place as I have been trying to work on...they need to have their stories told for real for real...

    we need a revamped link to the first SNF thread...the older one is obsolete now...
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    Hi all - As far as ID-ing people goes, I find that close reading of the witness statements really pays off. Not only do patrons detail where they were; some have even sketched out their escape routes on maps of The Station.

    Also, this testimony helps create a time-line to figure out what is going on "off-camera." Example: Thanks to witness testimony, we know that if Butler and camera had done a 180-degree spin while on the stage in the pre-show (facing what is, retrospectively, the saddest cheering rock crowd ever) we would have seen this: Dan Biechele taping down the blue pyro wires running from the drum alcove gerbs to the right rear of the stage AND, at the same time, talking with Jeff Derderian about the balance owed to the band for the night.

    # # #


    I got talking with George Kulz of Warwick at the Memorial on the last anniversary of the fire. He lost his son, Michael, 16 years to the day.
    It was around 11 pm, and at least a dozen folks were waiting for the 11:07 pm moment while Hollywood-perfect snowflakes floated down. I tried to give George his own space, but he seemed eager to talk about Michael. Two things stood out:

    1.) Michael's unique look, with the black bandana and all, came from him developing alopecia, an auto-immune disorder of the hair follicles that can occur at any age. He was shy about being bald in his 20's. Your eyebrows and eyelashes go too.

    2.) George had insisted on seeing Michael's body; he just really needed to know for sure, he said. He went alone and said he left knowing it really was Michael. He said he could tell that the ME had taken an impression of his teeth.

    The last image of Michael Kulz was in BB's video. His brother, George Jr. spotted him. He's in the middle of the crowd, atrium side. You can see him just start to turn towards the front door.

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    Quiet here. Good time for a list.

    --BY THE NUMBERS--

    1.) The 15-second pyro burst that burned down The Station, killing 100 and severely injuring many more, cost about $56. ($12.80 per gerb x 4 + $1.10 per electric match x 4=$55.60.)

    2.) It's darned mathematically close to say that the fire killed 2 out of every 9 people in the club.

    3.) West Warwick firefighter Aaron Perkins drove the first fire truck into The Station's parking lot at about 11:14. I bet his heart was racing; he was only 28 and had been a fireman for 4 months.

    4.) The cash drawer from Julie Mellini's register at the back bar, which was found stashed in the snow behind the club, contained $1,233.

    5.) Some 3 miles from The Station site is an "attraction" called "Factory of Terror Haunted House." Something kind of sad and redundant about that being so near by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billoween View Post
    Hi all - As far as ID-ing people goes, I find that close reading of the witness statements really pays off. Not only do patrons detail where they were; some have even sketched out their escape routes on maps of The Station.

    Also, this testimony helps create a time-line to figure out what is going on "off-camera." Example: Thanks to witness testimony, we know that if Butler and camera had done a 180-degree spin while on the stage in the pre-show (facing what is, retrospectively, the saddest cheering rock crowd ever) we would have seen this: Dan Biechele taping down the blue pyro wires running from the drum alcove gerbs to the right rear of the stage AND, at the same time, talking with Jeff Derderian about the balance owed to the band for the night.

    # # #


    I got talking with George Kulz of Warwick at the Memorial on the last anniversary of the fire. He lost his son, Michael, 16 years to the day.
    It was around 11 pm, and at least a dozen folks were waiting for the 11:07 pm moment while Hollywood-perfect snowflakes floated down. I tried to give George his own space, but he seemed eager to talk about Michael. Two things stood out:

    1.) Michael's unique look, with the black bandana and all, came from him developing alopecia, an auto-immune disorder of the hair follicles that can occur at any age. He was shy about being bald in his 20's. Your eyebrows and eyelashes go too.

    2.) George had insisted on seeing Michael's body; he just really needed to know for sure, he said. He went alone and said he left knowing it really was Michael. He said he could tell that the ME had taken an impression of his teeth.

    The last image of Michael Kulz was in BB's video. His brother, George Jr. spotted him. He's in the middle of the crowd, atrium side. You can see him just start to turn towards the front door.

    do we have a time-stamp as to when this occurred. You know, honestly as sad as this event truly is and unfolded on camera, I have come to love you guys and how much care and consideration you have for the people involved in this tragedy...i also have to say that also that this all did happen on camera, and there are photos as well...and we saw people having a great time but also some of them were having the last time of their lives...i always wish i could jump into the video before it got really bad and tell them all to run and save themselves...

    Quote Originally Posted by billoween View Post
    Quiet here. Good time for a list.

    --BY THE NUMBERS--

    1.) The 15-second pyro burst that burned down The Station, killing 100 and severely injuring many more, cost about $42. ($12.80 per gerb x 3 + $1.10 per electric match x 3=$41.70.)

    2.) It's darned mathematically close to say that the fire killed 2 out of every 9 people in the club.

    3.) West Warwick firefighter Aaron Perkins drove the first fire truck into The Station's parking lot at about 11:14. I bet his heart was racing; he was only 28 and had been a fireman for 4 months.

    4.) The cash drawer from Julie Mellini's register at the back bar, which was found stashed in the snow behind the club, contained $1,233.

    5.) Some 3 miles from The Station site is an "attraction" called "Factory of Terror Haunted House." Something kind of sad and redundant about that being so near by.
    wow thats not cool they have this attraction site so close...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bustakita View Post
    do we have a time-stamp as to when this occurred. You know, honestly as sad as this event truly is and unfolded on camera, I have come to love you guys and how much care and consideration you have for the people involved in this tragedy...i also have to say that also that this all did happen on camera, and there are photos as well...and we saw people having a great time but also some of them were having the last time of their lives...i always wish i could jump into the video before it got really bad and tell them all to run and save themselves...



    wow thats not cool they have this attraction site so close...


    Kulz's brother didn't provide an exact time on the Butler footage, but if I recall correctly, LLC, eons ago, provided a screen shot, and I think he was the guy in the black stocking cap in the right center of the screen between :55 and :59. Just before and during Ken Mariorenzi's forehead.

    My fantasy is to rip that mic out of Russell's hand and in 10 seconds tell everyone about every possible exit from that place, with lots of emphasis on the stage and kitchen exits.


    -----Had the good fortune to run into Debra Wagner and her husband recently. (I recognized her thanks to The Station web series.) She told me that she and her friend--the merchandise-hawking Linda Fisher--escaped via the atrium window that ran North-South, right next to the steps by the entrance.

    This we knew, right?
    But Debra did add something: she said that that particular window wasn't the hard-to-break plexiglass, but instead, was regular breakable glass. This, she said, was all because of a car accident well before the fire that had resulted in the window being damaged but replaced with real glass.


    So, I found this: On 6-2-2001, a Guy Waterman of Coventry (a paraplegic) had a problem with his '87 Monte Carlo's hand controls and drove "through the front of the building," according to the police report.

    So does that mean that Guy Waterman--who died in December of 2017 at age 52--was an accidental hero? Because, of the 20+ people who escaped the atrium, we know now that the majority came through that north-south opening. Also, was this some rare instance when the cheapness of the Derderian's inadvertently--but fortuitiously--saved lives?

    -----But then again keep in mind that the whole reason for the bus to park 5-7 ft. from the atrium windows had Derderian money concerns at it's core. Touring buses with bands living on board ran their compressors a lot. And by using The Station itself as a sound barrier, noise complaints from the neighbors behind would be fewer and less likely to end up threatening their liquor license and of course, ultimately, their income.
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    Fixed recent post of mine about the cost of Great White's opening pyro salvo. There were 4 gerbs used; not three. It's plain to see on the video that 2 gerbs--not 1--were shot vertically. Makes the cost about $56; not $42.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodentLady View Post
    There was a debate earlier in the thread about the person at 1:05-1:06 giving the thumbs up. Someone else thought it was Kevin Washburn. I thought it was Tina "Blackie" Ayer. That person is also shown at 1:00-1:01. As the camera approaches, she or he has very long, dark (black for "Blackie?") hair that goes well below the shoulders. The camera angle does not show how far the hair continues. The resolution is poor, but it looks like there is an indent in the top of the hair from one of those U-shaped headbands. It's common for women to control their long hair with those devices, but not for men. Men either tie up long hair into a ponytail or let it freely fall.
    I'm actually the one who id'd Kevin Washburn here... I see that there are 2 people you're talking about. It looks like Tina Ayers behind Washburn and Cartright, and she is looking directly at the camera wearing a white headband. TinaA.png

    Kevin is seen talking to William Cartright as Tracy King walks up and begins to talk to them... and he's wearing a blue shirt and black (leather?) vest. His hair was very long and he wasn't very tall, as you can see in the footage. WashburnTalking.png

    He gives the thumbs up and says "Yeaaahhhh!" right before the camera pans away. WashburnThumbsUp.png

    Hope this helps!

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    Thanks, CommanderAmander.

    Still looks like Tina to me. That nose!

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    Hi, its been a while since i was here. Just a quick question. The preshow video on Youtube, is it gone? I cant find it

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    Lyrica - Well where have you been for so long? Welcome back.

    I went to Youtube and found the pre-show to be the 17th clip offered. Of course, it may be one of those somewhat edited versions (like no 20 seconds of Kevin Beese pouring the foamy beer). But you can also find it (very complete) all over the place on Google Drive (again, bless you Dion). It's under "Video," and in "Contents Not..." So don't give up looking.

    Whenever I see Kevin Washburn now I think of what his mother, Rina, told a reporter: that Kevin was very unlucky. He'd been hit by a truck some eight years earlier. And that he'd been warned by a psychic that he'd never see his 31st birthday. He didn't. He was only 30, but always appears older than that to me.

    Okay, here's something I've never seen brought up here: If you go to Barylick and look at the photograph of the slightly charred set list recovered from Dan Biechele's belongings, you see "SAVE" at number 6. That is short for "Save Your Love," a Great White song that Rick Sanetti says he'd borrowed some lyrics from for an early love note to his then girlfriend, Patty. Rick had asked Dan Biechele to have Jack Russell dedicate it to his wife.

    Patty, now Patricia Sanetti, left The Station before the fire. Rick Sanetti said, "My wife had left at 5 minutes to 11:00 to kick off a [computer] program for a satellite location at my home for Fidelity Investments and then [planned] to return while the systems ran overnight." She'd also announced that she was going to bring her camera back with her.

    I guess that in an alternative and kinder universe, she would have returned to catch "Save Your Love," maybe getting all surprised by Rick's sentimental song dedication. Unfortunately, she returned to see the club totally engulfed and her beloved niece nowhere to be found.

    I've never found another mention of the camera. But if Patty had taken pictures, surely they would have been turned over to investigators and we, here, would have been all over them by now.
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    Ok, this may be a silly question, but I was just looking at the patron list again and the column where it shows the location of where someone escaped... what does "DNE" mean next to those who were deceased? Any input would be fantastic. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderAmander View Post
    Ok, this may be a silly question, but I was just looking at the patron list again and the column where it shows the location of where someone escaped... what does "DNE" mean next to those who were deceased? Any input would be fantastic. Thanks!
    DNE=Did Not Exit


    Still quiet here. Okay then:

    MEMORABLE QUOTES:

    1.) "It shouldn't have happened. The pyros did not have to be there. I'm glad it burned to the ground. I hope they put a memorial there."--Survivor Brian Wilk.

    2.) "I don't know why the choices were made that some of us were allowed to make it and some of us didn't."--Survivor William Long.

    3.) "I don't like talking about it because I don't like remembering it happened."--Survivor Melissa Stephenson.

    4.) "I walked around the parking lot in a daze. I still didn't think I was alive."--Survivor Erin Whalen.

    5.) "I remember almost everything, unfortunately."--Survivor Victoria Potvin-Eagan.

    6.) "It might sound childish or corny, but everything has changed in my life now. The world as I knew it is over."--Survivor and Fathead vocalist Tom Conte.

    7.) "All we came to do was see a show."--Kevin Dunn's (D) last words to his pal and survivor John Gibbs.

    8.) "Oh Man! This'll be on the news tonight!"--Survivor Brian O'Donnell comment to Skott Greene (D) at the beginning of the fire.

    9.) "I didn't think I was seeing what I was seeing."--Survivor and WHJY intern Jill Malinowski.

    10.) "You're not going to believe what you're going to see. I want you to get out of here."--Survivor Steve Burgess--and off-duty Cranston firefighter--to his date, Jennifer Stocks.

    11.) "...this is becoming more of a reality to us, that it really did happen."--Survivor Nicole Conant.

    12.) "If I had to choose one word to describe it, I would describe it as mayhem...There was just serious injury every few feet."--West Warwick detective Gary Appolonia.

    13.) "It's a reminder that I lived."--Survivor Stephen Bruno explaining why he wore his hospital bracelet for so long.

    14.) "It was like somebody [took] the leash off the dogs."--Survivor Chris Costa on the crowd's panic.

    15.) "It was the worst thing ever that you could ever even imagine ever."--Survivor Kerrie Amato.

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    I was rereading Barylick's Killer Show and noticed something I had overlooked before. Chapter 7 mentions that John Peiczarek (his name is misspelled Pieczarek in the book) did a fire inspection at The Station in November 2000. According to the book the flammable egg crate foam was put on the walls in July 2000. So apparently two different fire inspectors (the other being Denis Larocque) failed to report the flammable egg crate foam on the walls of The Station. And I found documentation on the Google Drive that supports this assertion.


    On page 1 of a document called Foam Invoices.pdf.pdf is an American Foam Corporation invoice documenting the sale of 25 blocks of egg crate foam to The Station on 6/27/00. The egg crate foam was likely put on the walls of The Station shortly thereafter. This document is at the link below:
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...G1HeG91QnJRV1k


    On page 66 of a document called 4.PDF is the report of John Peiczarek's fire inspection at The Station on 11/21/00. The report does not mention the egg crate foam. This document is at the link below:
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...UVGRHRNVE40QzQ

    Edited to add: On page 3 of a document called 3.PDF is the report of Denis Larocque's fire inspection at The Station on 11/20/02. This document is at the link below:
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...UVGRHRNVE40QzQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by wineandkerosene View Post
    I was rereading Barylick's Killer Show and noticed something I had overlooked before. Chapter 7 mentions that John Peiczarek (his name is misspelled Pieczarek in the book) did a fire inspection at The Station in November 2000. According to the book the flammable egg crate foam was put on the walls in July 2000. So apparently two different fire inspectors (the other being Denis Larocque) failed to report the flammable egg crate foam on the walls of The Station. And I found documentation on the Google Drive that supports this assertion.


    On page 1 of a document called Foam Invoices.pdf.pdf is an American Foam Corporation invoice documenting the sale of 25 blocks of egg crate foam to The Station on 6/27/00. The egg crate foam was likely put on the walls of The Station shortly thereafter. This document is at the link below:
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...G1HeG91QnJRV1k


    On page 66 of a document called 4.PDF is the report of John Peiczarek's fire inspection at The Station on 11/21/00. The report does not mention the egg crate foam. This document is at the link below:
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...UVGRHRNVE40QzQ

    Edited to add: On page 3 of a document called 3.PDF is the report of Denis Larocque's fire inspection at The Station on 11/20/02. This document is at the link below:
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...UVGRHRNVE40QzQ
    As a native Rhode Islander, I can tell you that it's a VERY small state... and I don't mean just technically small. Everyone knows everyone. Local government is very corrupt with lots of "good old boys". It's all in who you know... and in my opinion, the fact that the Fire Inspectors "failed" to report the findings of clearly flammable egg crate foam is just another example of that. SO many people dropped the ball leading up to the tragedy, and I truly feel that the fire inspectors should have been held accountable for basically looking the other way.

    Also, I was just reading the witness statement of John Gibbs (who went with victim Kevin Dunn that night). He very clearly says that security was blocking the stage exit that night. They (ahem, Scott Viereira) should have been held accountable for their actions as well.

    Lots of shadiness there, friends.

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    Commander, please combine posts 1120 and 1121 it is against the rules to post back to back you must wait 30mins in between posts before making a new one. You have been here long enough to know this.


    Here is a link to The Station part one thread
    https://www.findadeathforum.com/show...k-Rhode-Island



    https://www.findagrave.com/virtual-c...=1#sr-12450729 Link to the Victims with pictures

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    Jeez, sorry... I hardly ever post so I'm not up to par on the rules. I just deleted my first one.

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    Now you do
    "My Darling Girl ,when are you going to realize that being normal is not necessarily a virtue? It rather denotes a lack of courage." ~Aunt Frances~ #METOO grandpa Jan 8,1927-March 9, 2006 Grandma Nov 6, 1926-June 28, 2018. Forever loved and missed always in my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderAmander View Post
    Jeez, sorry... I hardly ever post so I'm not up to par on the rules. I just deleted my first one.
    You are asked to read the rules when you register. It's up to you to know them.

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    Thanks Wine man - nice to see that you're still alive and kicking and investigating.


    Hey, ever wondered what Brian Butler was up to earlier that Thursday?

    On 2-20-2003, WPRI-TV videographer Brian Butler was working his usual shift of 3:00 pm to 11:30 pm. Rebecca Johnson, the Assignment Desk Manager, had him plenty busy all day.

    First, Butler was to deliver a "live truck" to a Broad Street location in Providence for use by a reporter; yes, our own Jeff Derderian, who needed it for a live broadcast involving a sting at an Asian brothel. After Butler had raised the truck's "mast," Derderian said to him, "You know you're coming to my club tonight, right?"

    Then Butler was sent off--now in the WPRI SUV Derderian had been using--to cover a nearby "pedestrian hit."

    Next, he was sent to get footage of a local chess club.

    Then he covered the opening of a play in downtown Providence.

    After which he was assigned to what Rebecca Johnson called "this thing in Cranston." That turned out to be the story of a father who said that his sick son was improving because--the man claimed--his prayers to 9/11 hero Father Michael Judge were being answered.

    Finally...Butler was supposed to be at The Station at 10:00 pm. He figures he got there between 10:35 and 10:40. And he says he didn't have a clue as to why he was there.

    Butler to Grand Jury: "When I went in there I did not know what this video was going to be used for in anyway--for anything. I [just] knew not to identify The Station Nightclub."

    Okay, file this under "Brian Butler's Very Surreal Day," huh?
    I swear, it was like there was a tear in the very fabric of the universe for a split second that day which made everything go weird.

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    Q: How could Daniel Biechele be so confident that shooting off the four "sparklers" inside The Station wouldn't be a problem?

    A: Probably because he'd already set off the exact same pyro (15 x 15 silver stage gerbs) at The Station for a W.A.S.P. show in March 2000. (He was that band's road manager.) In his statement, Biechele recalled, "The gerbs . . . were spraying off the [same] wall that caught fire at The Great White show."

    Another gerb at that show was attached to a holder in the lead singer's cod piece. That one sprayed forward and up.

    "There were no problems involving pyro on the W.A.S.P. show," according to Biechele. "I have personally used these gerbs over a hundred times in various venues across the world without any problems...They were used in Russell's in Bangor, Maine--two nights prior to the show at The Station--which is a venue with an 8-foot ceiling over the stage, without any problems."

    But, of course, come 2-20-03, and Biechele wasn't aware, evidentally, that those same walls the gerbs had been hitting off of 3 years earlier at The Station were different now. And the black foam glued to all the stage walls now was, unfortunately, petroleum-based.

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    I have often wondered how everyone affected by the SNF would live with the embarrassment if the deadly fire had been sparked by a codpiece that ejaculated flames. It's too absurd to fathom.

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    RLady--that might be the funniest sentence ever uttered on this thread. And I like how you've OFTEN wondered about this.

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    found this while doing research first thought I had was who are they bringing out. https://www.denverpost.com/2018/02/2...-rhode-island/
    "My Darling Girl ,when are you going to realize that being normal is not necessarily a virtue? It rather denotes a lack of courage." ~Aunt Frances~ #METOO grandpa Jan 8,1927-March 9, 2006 Grandma Nov 6, 1926-June 28, 2018. Forever loved and missed always in my heart.

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    This site always seems so large to me looking at these photos. But having been there it is really quite small compared to what my mind envisioned.
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    Hi all --

    So, we've all seen Shamus Horan working the bar windows to rescue one after another club-goer, right? (He so resembles one of those WHJY workers we see clustered under the TV in the main bar during Tracy King's walk-through--but that's actually Steve Scarpetti--that that became a point of confusion/controversy way earlier in this thread.)

    Well, I had a Eureka moment recently when I realized that Shamus can be easily seen hiding in plain sight in Butler's unedited pre-show footage. It comes at 1:58-1:59, when the gal in red does her the-light's-too-bright act. I contend that the tall guy to her left is Shamus Horan.

    If you read all the pertainent witness statements and watch the videos closely, I think you'll agree.

    He's the right age; he's in the right location waiting for Great White; he's with a group of friends that matches all descriptions given; he's got the right cap; he's got the same white-shirt-under-jersey look; he's got the right height and build, as well. Plus--and this is a big plus--he very much resembles pictures of present-day Shamus which appear on various social media.

    So check out the Butler pre-show, and when he makes that funny little gesture to Butler, pause on his hands. Because in about 15 minutes those hands will be cut and burned from having saved as many as 9 lives. Imagine that....

    BS-My hunch here would then make the woman in red either Kristy Stone (now Shamus's wife) or possibly Carissa DeGregorio (now Jason Moone's wife).
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    September greetings my quiet ones.


    Got to talk again with survivor (and rescuer) Ken Mariorenzi in late August. Nice guy. He was on a break from dealing craps at Foxwoods.

    Since Ken is the person most directly behind cameraman Brian Butler, I had to ask him the 22 million dollar question: Did you feel like Butler slowed or impeded you in any way?

    Well--Ken said no, without hesitancy. He explained that at that point, progress forward had slowed for everyone. And it makes sense that with the front door routes getting more clogged each second, baby steps became sort of mandatory; too many of the people in front of these folks like Ken Mariorenzi were encountering serious obstacles. These included:

    1.) The 33" pinch point at the ticket booth.

    2.) The forced merge with those patrons pouring into the hallway from the horseshoe bar. (Picture a "Y" shape.)

    3.) And, the obstacle of the mid-hallway door which suddenly, again, pinches the front exit route.


    So, if you were exiting a ways behind Butler or were unfamiliar with the club's layout, Yeah--you might feel certain that the cameraman had slowed you down. And remember, too, that Brian Butler was something like 6'-2", was wearing a winter jacket, and had a 35 lb. camera on his shoulder. But it does sound like he was moving with the flow of traffic, at least.

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    Geez, I spent the last two months focused on my annual front-yard Halloween show, only to come back here and find that my 9-8-19 post is still the last one. Really? There's so much information available now . . . come on you lurkers.


    --Hiding in Plain Sight--

    All three pool tables show up quite vividly in some of the "next morning" shots of the wreckage. (I suspect they are crane shots, not helicopter.) Magnification helps, too, but if you persist in looking through the highest-definition photos taken that awful morning (try Getty Images, SF Chronicle, U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security, Yahoo, Pinterest) you can even make out the tables green-ish surfaces.

    Notice, too, that the biggest gap NOT covered by a pool table along the atrium windows is an approximately 8-10 foot space between the atrium's north/south window and the edge of the first pool table. The majority of atrium survivors found their way into that space.

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