John F. Kennedy

[Frisco Kid]

John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume VI :: Page 38

This interview leaves no doubt about the right rear being blasted out and Greer's close range shot with a high velocity handgun. This silly interviewer quickly changes the subject after cerebellum falling out is brought to light.

Dr. Mcclelland. I think even then you could make the statement that this wound could have resulted from this type bullet fired through this particular mass of soft tissue, losing that much velocity before it exited from the body. Where you would expect to see this really great hole that is left behind would be, for instance, from a very high velocity missile fired at close range with a heavy caliber bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range, which would make a small entrance hole, relatively, and particularly if it entered some portion of the anatomy such as the head, where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.

But I don't think the bullet of this nature fired from that distance and going through this large area of homogenous soft tissue would necessarily make the usual kind of exit wound like I just described, with a close range high velocity heavy caliber bullet. This is why it would be difficult to say with certainty as has been implied in some newspaper articles that quoted me, that you could tell for sure that this was an entrance or an exit wound. I think this was blown up a good deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q1lYifmUXA

[neilmpenny]

O'l Frisco is on a mission.

[Maxster]

... from a very high velocity missile fired at close range with a heavy caliber bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range ...

The .45 calibers available in 1963 were all low velocity. The most common .45 chambering of the day, the .45 ACP, has a subsonic velocity, of about 850 feet per second. In contrast, the 6.5mm projectiles of the the assassination weapon travel at around 2,300 feet per second, about twice the speed of sound, and a destructive-to-soft-tissue shock wave follows in their wake.

[Rosebud666]

The .45 calibers available in 1963 were all low velocity. The most common .45 chambering of the day, the .45 ACP, has a subsonic velocity, of about 850 feet per second. In contrast, the 6.5mm projectiles of the the assassination weapon travel at around 2,300 feet per second, about twice the speed of sound, and a destructive-to-soft-tissue shock wave follows in their wake.

Ah, but the CIA conspirators had access to secret alien handgun technology not available to the general public at the time. Just sayin'.
If you think concealed carry is a hot-button issue here on Earth, you should travel to Alpha Centauri sometime!

[Maxster]

I heard was Ted Cruz and Mark Steyn that done it; they found a time machine that allowed them to sneak back to 1963, perpetrate the deed, and quietly return to the 21st century with the perfect alibi. The courageous and selfless Canadian Opposition Leader, Thomas Mulcair, aided by his equally courageous and selfless House Leader Nathan Cullen, tried to intervene, but Cruz and Steyn were just too devious. And thus, we came to be cast out of the Garden of Eden ...

[cindyt]

O'l Frisco is on a mission.

Play nice.

[Frisco Kid]

The .45 calibers available in 1963 were all low velocity. The most common .45 chambering of the day, the .45 ACP, has a subsonic velocity, of about 850 feet per second. In contrast, the 6.5mm projectiles of the the assassination weapon travel at around 2,300 feet per second, about twice the speed of sound, and a destructive-to-soft-tissue shock wave follows in their wake.

Was there a small entrance wound below the huge exit hole on the right rear of jfk's skull?

Mr. SPECTER - You saw a large opening which you have already described?
Dr. McCLELLAND - I saw the large opening which I have described.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you observe any other wound on the back of the head?
Dr. McCLELLAND - No.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you observe a small gunshot wound below the large opening on the back of the head?

Dr. McCLELLAND - No.

[Maxster]

A handgun didn't cause the tissue eruption seen in the Zapruder film. End of story.

[Frisco Kid]

It's only logical that Jackie tried to escape the car the fatal shot was fired in. Austin Miller saw the fatal shot in the limo, and had as good a view as anyone, looking down and directly into the limo. http://www.alien-ufos.com/conspiracy...hread-185.html

[Bidmor]

Back in the 1970's, I believe it was, "The Killer" Jerry Lee Lewis had a song out "One More Time With Feeling"...always liked that song.

[neilmpenny]

Back in the 1970's, I believe it was, "The Killer" Jerry Lee Lewis had a song out "One More Time With Feeling"...always liked that song.

Gotta love the killer.

[cindyt]

It's only logical that Jackie tried to escape the car the fatal shot was fired in. Austin Miller saw the fatal shot in the limo, and had as good a view as anyone, looking down and directly into the limo.

Testimony Of Clinton J. Hill, Special Agent, Secret Service

The closest witnesses saw the right rear exit as does every person viewing in it frame 313.

Clint Hill saw the rear exit, skull detach and heard Greer's revolver.

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.

Mr. SPECTER. You say that it appeared that she was reaching as if something was coming over to the rear portion of the car, back in the area where you were coming to?
Mr. HILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there anything back there that you observed, that she might have been reaching for?
Mr. HILL. I thought I saw something come off the back, too, but I cannot say that there was. I do know that the next day we found the portion of the President's head.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you find that portion of the President's head?
Mr. HILL. It was found in the street. It was turned in, I believe, by a medical student or somebody in Dallas.

Posner vs Harris

(Austin Miller was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?

Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Pare this down to two paragraphs and leave a link to the remainder. You know the rules.

[Frisco Kid]

A handgun didn't cause the tissue eruption seen in the Zapruder film. End of story.

Were the entrance and exit wound both in the Occipital region?

Jfk had a gaping hole on the right rear of his skull, caused by a close range gunshot fired from the driver's seat. Testimony Of Clinton J. Hill, Special Agent, Secret Service

Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?

Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

[Frisco Kid]

According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing about 15 mph (west to the east) into the motorcade. Greer's close range shot completely supports these awesome accounts of gunpowder right near the limo and debunks the fatal shot from being 265 feet behind (east of) the limo.

From "Murder From Within" on the gunpowder "nose witnesses:" The Smell of Gunpowder in Dealey Plaza - from "Murder From Within" Wind Speed & Direction - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum

***Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one-half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, â??You could smell the gunpowderâ?¦ you knew he wasnâ??t far away. When youâ??re that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why youâ??youâ??ve got to be pretty close to themâ?¦ you could smell the gunpowderâ?¦ right there in the street.â?�63 (Figure 3-7) â??Noseâ?� witnesses Sen. Ralph Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street64 and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital.65 He later commented, â??. . . you donâ??t smell gunpowder unless youâ??re shooting at something up wind and it blows it back in your faceâ?¦â?�65-a As noted, the motorcade headed into a breezeâ??photographs show bystandersâ?? skirts billowing in the wind. At Parkland Hospital Yarborough told reporters â??the third shot may have been a Secret Service man returning fireâ?�.65-b

[Rosebud666]

I heard was Ted Cruz and Mark Steyn that done it; they found a time machine that allowed them to sneak back to 1963, perpetrate the deed, and quietly return to the 21st century with the perfect alibi. The courageous and selfless Canadian Opposition Leader, Thomas Mulcair, aided by his equally courageous and selfless House Leader Nathan Cullen, tried to intervene, but Cruz and Steyn were just too devious. And thus, we came to be cast out of the Garden of Eden ...

And let the people say "Amen!"

According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing about 15 mph (west to the east) into the motorcade. Greer's close range shot completely supports these awesome accounts of gunpowder right near the limo and debunks the fatal shot from being 265 feet behind (east of) the limo.

From "Murder From Within" on the gunpowder "nose witnesses:" The Smell of Gunpowder in Dealey Plaza - from "Murder From Within" Wind Speed & Direction - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum

***Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one-half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, “You could smell the gunpowder… you knew he wasn’t far away. When you’re that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why you—you’ve got to be pretty close to them… you could smell the gunpowder… right there in the street.”63 (Figure 3-7) “Nose” witnesses Sen. Ralph Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street64 and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital.65 He later commented, “. . . you don’t smell gunpowder unless you’re shooting at something up wind and it blows it back in your face…”65-a As noted, the motorcade headed into a breeze—photographs show bystanders’ skirts billowing in the wind. At Parkland Hospital Yarborough told reporters “the third shot may have been a Secret Service man returning fire”.65-b

There's a saying in German that applies here: Wer's glaubt wird selig (i.e., "he/she who believes it will become blessed").

I think maybe that's Mark 16:16, but I didn't know he could speak German.

Oh yeah, the above is usually delivered in a tone dripping in irony/sarcasm.

[Hidium]

I just typed something, but went back to see if I had recently posted something, but when I came back my half-finished post was gone. So, if it shows up somewhere else, I apologize.

It's such a shame that the big street sign interrupted the crime fottage, also it's too bad that Mr. Z. didn't sweep his camera up the grassy knoll, or around the general area. But of course he was in shock... It's amazing that he kept his cool while filming and got some of the most famous footage ever.

It's hard to believe how little forensic study was done. I think I heard that they hosed the car out before it was thoroughly examined.

[Bidmor]

To use the Z film as any point of time reference is a waste of time because the copy released to the public, and the copy the Warren Commission used, was altered from the original.

Think I'm nuts? Go to YT and pull up and vid of the "entire" Z film. First we see the lead motorcycle cops immediately after they made the turn. Those cops preceded the lead car (Sheriff's I believe), not the limo. Next we see the limo heading toward the view-obstructing Stemmons Freeway sign. Where did the lead car go? Moreover, why don't we see the limo coming to a crawl in order to make that hard left onto Elm? Answer: Frames have been cut, yet they are still in sequential number order...those frames were cut and all remaining frames re-numbered.

Now, in YT, find a vid of the Z film in slo-mo, particularly around the moment JFK was fatally hit. Observe all the other occupants in the limo (the driver, the agent in front passenger, and the Connallys). Twice they all lurch forward in unison as if the limo driver had braked, yet the film shows the limo not even slowing. Citizen witnesses stated that the limo came to a brief stop twice.

Something doesn't jive. Either all those witnesses were wrong or the film was altered. I side with the witnesses and close observation of the film confirms that the limo did stop twice during the shooting period yet the film shows the limo continuing but with the occupants lurching forward. Impossible to alter the occupants' movements in the limo THAT much.

Those are but two examples. There are many more if one cares to nose around on YT. But those two examples alone are enough to disqualify the public Z film as credible evidence.

[duchessmary]

Humph sez I. If anyone wants more information check out "Killing Kennedy" by Bill O'Rielly and "Five days in November", by Clint Hill, Secret Service agent. Too much is made of a "conspiracy". Nonsense.

[tamiele]

Humph sez I. If anyone wants more information check out "Killing Kennedy" by Bill O'Rielly and "Five days in November", by Clint Hill, Secret Service agent. Too much is made of a "conspiracy". Nonsense.

I read Clint Hill's book about Jackie. When he described the shooting and other events, like the death of baby Patrick, it was so well done - I was in tears many times.

[cash]

Humph sez I. If anyone wants more information check out "Killing Kennedy" by Bill O'Rielly and "Five days in November", by Clint Hill, Secret Service agent. Too much is made of a "conspiracy". Nonsense.

I agree. PBS's Robert McNeill was in Dallas that day - after the shots rang out he saw people running toward the grassy knoll/fence. McNeill ran to the fence, stood on it and looked around - guess what he saw ???? Nothing !!!! Why ?? Oswald was on the 6th floor of the TSBD shooting Kennedy. Case closed.

[homerjmitc]

Oswald,, did it,,lmao... go read the enemy of the truth written by sherry fiester,, a certified senior crime scene analyst and sepecializes in crime scene reconstruction! please also read someone would have talked by larry hancock,,

[cash]

here's what I think of conspiracy theorists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lDb0Dn8OXE

[cindyt]

here's what I think of conspiracy theorists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lDb0Dn8OXE

To each his own. I do not believe in the lone gunman conclusion.

[cash]

JFK's Palm Beach winter white house for sale. Nice place.

http://www.toptenrealestatedeals.com...14/7-1-2014/5/

[Mansfield67]

You never know !

[Bidmor]

You never know !

A relatively recent theory to me but I've never ruled it out as possible, even looking at what's left of the Z film.

[Rosebud666]

Personally, I think it was a "Strangers on a Train" thing (you know, the Hitchcock flick where "A" kills "B's" victim and "B" kills "A's" victim). Bin Laden killed Kennedy - and Lee Harvey Oswald was responsible for 9/11 (but I'm not sure if he acted alone). Sort of a Unified Field Conspiracy Theory. Of course, you'll deny it - but that just means that you're part of the conspiracy!

[Bidmor]

Personally, I think it was a "Strangers on a Train" thing (you know, the Hitchcock flick where "A" kills "B's" victim and "B" kills "A's" victim). Bin Laden killed Kennedy - and Lee Harvey Oswald was responsible for 9/11 (but I'm not sure if he acted alone). Sort of a Unified Field Conspiracy Theory. Of course, you'll deny it - but that just means that you're part of the conspiracy!

Conrad 'Connie' Brean: You watched the Gulf War, what do you see day after day? The one smart bomb falling down the chimney. The truth? I was in the building when we shot that shot - we shot in a studio, Falls Church, Virginia. One-tenth scale model of a building.

Stanley Motss: Is that true?
Conrad 'Connie' Brean: How the f**k do we know? You take my point?

--"Wag The Dog" via IMDB.com

PS: I wouldn't blame Jackie if she had delivered a kill shot, especially after MM's birthday song and the phone calls. Bless her heart.

[Mansfield67]

It would be jaw dropping if it was true. But, I've always thought that she was trying to get out of the car after the kill shot was made. One of her bios says as much.. it was about self preservation. Frankly, I wouldn't blame her if that were the case.

[findadeathaddict]

I really don't think Jackie had anything to do with his death. As simple as it sounds, I truly believe LHO killed JFK. The end.

[Mansfield67]

Neither do I.. but then again ! Lol. The spin on who really killed him will go on as long as the planet exits.

[cash]

just read: Lee Harvey Oswald: 48 Hours to Live: Oswald, Kennedy and the Conspiracy that Will Not Die by Steven Gillon - guess what ??? Oswald really did kill Kennedy.

[Rosebud666]

I really don't think Jackie had anything to do with his death. As simple as it sounds, I truly believe LHO killed JFK. The end.

Naw, Bin Laden killed Kennedy. That's my story and I 'm sticking to it.

Another fact that most people don't know (and you won't find in any of those so-called "history" books): The Declaration of Independence was an inside job! Most of it was written by William Pitt the Younger - Jefferson just changed the title and wrote a nice fiddle tune to go along with it. Why fiddle? Because Jefferson, being a gentleman, owned a banjo but never played it.

[findadeathaddict]

Naw, Bin Laden killed Kennedy. That's my story and I 'm sticking to it.

Another fact that most people don't know (and you won't find in any of those so-called "history" books): The Declaration of Independence was an inside job! Most of it was written by William Pitt the Younger - Jefferson just changed the title and wrote a nice fiddle tune to go along with it. Why fiddle? Because Jefferson, being a gentleman, owned a banjo but never played it.

Thank you for that interesting history lesson!! And OBL killed JFK - hey as long as there are three names then he must be the killer!!

[Rosebud666]

Thank you for that interesting history lesson!! And OBL killed JFK - hey as long as there are three names then he must be the killer!!

Ya, it's those three-named guys you have to look out for. Case in point - John Wilkes Booth!

[Bidmor]

Ya, it's those three-named guys you have to look out for. Case in point - John Wilkes Booth!

Mel Gibson beat you to that point, except for Sirhan Sirhan.

[findadeathaddict]

Ya, it's those three-named guys you have to look out for. Case in point - John Wilkes Booth!

Precisely

Mel Gibson beat you to that point, except for Sirhan Sirhan.

I bet his middle name is.......................wait for it.....................................SIRHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Giggle.

[Bidmor]

I bet his middle name is.......................wait for it.....................................SIRHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Giggle.

Nope. Mel couldn't figure it out either, in "Conspiracy Theory" that is. He was saying that to Julia Roberts that all successful patsy assassins had all three names constantly used in the press whereas unsuccessful assassins were only referred to by two names...except Sirhan Sirhan. At least that's Gibson's character was mumbling about to Roberts' character before Capt. Pickard showed up.

[findadeathaddict]

Nope. Mel couldn't figure it out either, in "Conspiracy Theory" that is. He was saying that to Julia Roberts that all successful patsy assassins had all three names constantly used in the press whereas unsuccessful assassins were only referred to by two names...except Sirhan Sirhan. At least that's Gibson's character was mumbling about to Roberts' character before Capt. Pickard showed up.

His middle name is Bishara

[Hidium]

I can't imagine that Jackie would kill the father of her children. She was the model of Catholic motherhood, at least in public. Also, I think I would duck behind the front seat rather than try to get out of the car. If she got out she'd still be in the area where the shots hit, whereas in the car she had some protection and the car was moving out of the are of the gun shots. But if you're in shock you might not think it though.

[Frisco Kid]

For Hill to have seen brain matter explode out the rear of JFK’s head and actually view the hole as he lie in the backseat is all the proof anyone needs to know that the massive exit wound was exactly where it always was, and where it wasn't supposed to be according to over fifty years of pushing it forward of that posterior area. The proof in this case is found by identifying the biggest lies. The government was apparently not comfortable with saying the entrance and exit wounds were both at the rear because no one would believe such tripe. Forty eyewitnesses, specific Zapruder frames, and the autopsy report support Clint Hill's description of JFK's exit wound.

Secret Service Agent Clint Hill wrote a 2012 book, “Mrs. Kennedy and Me,” in which he describes his experience during the JFK assassination.

“I heard the shot. The third shot,” he wrote. “The impact was like the sound of something hard hitting something hollow – like the sound of a melon shattering onto the cement. In the same instant, blood, brain matter, and bone fragments exploded from the back of the president’s head. The president’s blood, parts of his skull, bits of his brain were splattered all over me – on my face, my clothes, in my hair.”

“As I peered into the backseat of the car,” Hill recalled. “I saw the president’s head in [Jackie’s] lap. His eyes were fixed, and I could see inside the back of his head. I could see inside the back of the president’s head.” http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/rare-zapr...jfk-assassins/

[cash]

The Warren Report was released 50 years ago today. I know most people think its fiction but I think its conclusions are basically correct. There were many problems with the investigation - it was rushed and Earl Warren was a first class jerk. I also find that many of its critics haven't read the Report. I have.

[Frisco Kid]

Specter told Dr. Jones that some eyewitnesses saw the shooter from the front. I wonder who that could be?


In the Introduction, on page xiii, the author writes: "Late in this project, I came upon a startling revelation in Dr. Ron Jones's oral history. After taking his Warren Commission deposition at Parkland, chief counsel Arlen Specter told Jones,

"We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either." http://www.amazon.com/We-Were-There-Revelations-Attended-ebook/dp/B00E258JTS/ref=cm_cr_pr_orig_subj

[Poo Bah MCGee]

My personal opinion is, the Warren Commission report is essentially correct in how and why Oswald did what he did. Two independent agencies working outside of government have used computer forensics to prove the crime happened as reported. The Kennedy family only made things worse by using influence to dispose of personal items, human remains, a casket, and JFK's soiled legacy. What is not included is how law enforcement individuals, at the highest level, knew the conditions for an assassination were coming together and did nothing to intervene in order to protect the President. They are culpable for not having wielded their authority to protect a man they personally despised. When individuals like Dorothy Kilgallen got too close to facts, to expose them, these people suddenly died. Add Marilyn Monroe to that list.

[Hidium]

It's just amazing that they let a president ride out in the open in a slow moving car. The Pope doesn't even do that. Wonder what modern forensics would make of it had it? I think they've evaluated it but they only have so much evidence left to look at.

[Katrinawitch]

Scott put a new video up from his trip to Dallas, with a night visit to Dealey Plaza. It's on the FAD home page. It's as hilarious and awesome as Scott's other videos (he references the other side of the Plaza as the "Jan Brady" side!). Plus, I may name my next child "Zapruder Plinth". Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

[Bidmor]

It's just amazing that they let a president ride out in the open in a slow moving car. The Pope doesn't even do that. Wonder what modern forensics would make of it had it? I think they've evaluated it but they only have so much evidence left to look at.

Too much time has passed plus the Z film that was released to the public and used in the W report is fallacious because that copy had been altered in a major way, if nothing else than to cover up the fact that the driver brought the limo to a dead stop (for all intents and purposes and no pun) twice when shooting began. The only issue that the Z film shows IMO is that JFK's head was hit from behind and front almost at the same instant. Other than that we don't know how many frames were removed and what happened during those frames. Then we have the agent stand-down from walking the limo starting at Love Field and the route which required the limo to make that hard and slooow left turn onto Elm.

The hit was well planned from the get-go and so was/is the containment.

[Frisco Kid]

How did a bullet enter the rear and blow out the rear? Boswell confirmed this fiction in 1996.

[Hidium]

In Mr. Z's film; If only that big sign hadn't blocked part of the shooting, and if only he would have kept filming, swinging over to the 'grassy knoll'. We might have more answers.

Vincent Bugliosi does something about the JFK assassination on YouTube, I didn't watch it yesterday during my YouTube binge, but I'll get around to it eventually.

[Frisco Kid]

Here's the now infamous wink, back and to LBJ's right, just before being sworn in. The man to the left in the bowtie is Congressman Albert Thomas, winking at LBJ. https://www.google.com/search?q=lbj+...w=1536&bih=748