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    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    If I recall correctly in the movie 'Ted' didn't he actually have sex with some gal, in the public visiting area where it was extremely crowded at the time? I fail to see how anybody could fall in love with a murderer. There is something very wrong with people who have relationships with prisoners on death row.
    From what I remember in "The Stranger Beside Me," it was explained that you could bribe the guards to look the other way and/or they would overlook conjugal visits in the Men's Restroom. How romantic.

    I also remember reading somewhere that the rumor that the executioner was a woman is actually an urban myth.

    Re allowing Ted more time to reveal the identities and locations of more of his victims, by the time he was executed, Ted was already playing games with law enforcement. Some of the areas that Ted claimed were dumping grounds yielded nothing, and it was also thought that Ted killed so many women in so many different areas that there was no way he could remember all of them, their identities (if he even knew who they were to begin with), where he picked them up and where he disposed of them, even if he really did want to remember. His intention was to keep dragging law enforcement along for years to hopefully avoid the death penalty indefinitely.

    I have read several books on Ted Bundy. It's a fascinating case and makes me wonder how one person could be so evil. His supposed big issue was that he was born out of wedlock and raised as his biological mother being his sister, and his grandparents as his parents. The other interesting fact about Ted is that there were several months where his biological mother and grandparents hadn't decided what to do with baby Ted. During these months, he was alone, was never held or shown affection, and virtually unattended at the orphanage. I cannot imagine that finding out your sister was actually your mother and that your parents were actually your grandparents would cause you to become angry with all women and kill dozens of innocent victims. However, there are some studies that have linked infants being abandoned not ever able to bond with the rest of the world, many of whom become psychopaths.
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    As G.G. just posted, Ted was a master at playing games with the media & law enforcement. I doubt that he would have given up any valid information under any circumstances....aside from torture, which I think is wrong, even in this circumstance. As one of the judges stated, Ted would have been a brilliant lawyer had he chosen another road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melicious625 View Post
    Well if the movie The Stranger beside me, was based on Ann Rule's book, then it shouldve been pretty accurate; she also knew Bundy, quite well in fact. She stayed in touch with him until his execution, and they worked together at the suicide hotline place.

    How creepy to find out someone you have known and trusted for years was a vicious serial killer who preyed on women *shudders*
    I read Ann Rule's book.
    She mentioned that her old friend Ted used to sneak up on her and
    scare her. This is how he was able to attack most of his victims!
    Sneaking up on them from behind.

    Lucky for her he liked her as a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    They think she might have been his first victim. IMO... there were probably a lot more victims that he never confessed to. At the end he claimed there were more to try to postpone his execution. I think there were more. Maybe, they should have waited a little longer to find out. After his execution there were some parents of missing women, who were enraged that he never got to tell more about other victims. While I believe execution should be swift... if there is any legitimate possibility of other confessions, or information about other crimes, the authorities should try to get as much as possible before executing IMO.
    Ted Bundy ruined so many lives like Manson did.
    He did mention that he was responsible for many more murders than he
    confessed to.
    I also read that Ted was madly in love with a certain woman and wanted to
    marry her. A women that was from a wealthy family (if I remember correctly?)
    And this woman dropped him and broke his heart. I read that Ted really
    took this badly. Most of the women he murdered had dark hair parted in the middle like this woman that dropped him.
    He did I believe date this woman again and was making progress with her
    and then dropped her to get even.
    (I read this long ago so I hope I have it right)

    But it seems like this hurtful romance set him off into being a
    serial killer according to one biographer.

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    the judges little speach makes me sick.....let him rape and murder your little girl and see if you dont hold animosity! Lord! Ted was a classic dickhead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonRabbit View Post
    I read Ann Rule's book.
    She mentioned that her old friend Ted used to sneak up on her and
    scare her. This is how he was able to attack most of his victims!
    Sneaking up on them from behind.

    Lucky for her he liked her as a friend.

    I know, I wouldnt be the person I am today without Ann Rule's books. She made me into a death hag, and she is the reason I am studying Psychology
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonights View Post
    I've never understood how people have found him attractive or called him handsome. He looks like a nutball to me.
    People's personalities play a big part in how physically attractive they are to others. It's because you know he was a serial killer. If you didn't know that about him, you would most likely think, "what a handsome guy."

    Quote Originally Posted by MoonRabbit View Post
    Ted Bundy ruined so many lives like Manson did.
    He did mention that he was responsible for many more murders than he
    confessed to.
    I also read that Ted was madly in love with a certain woman and wanted to
    marry her. A women that was from a wealthy family (if I remember correctly?)
    And this woman dropped him and broke his heart. I read that Ted really
    took this badly...
    Ya think?
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    Do you remember the old joke just after his execution?

    Who can't stop smoking?.........Ted Bundy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihearttinytim View Post
    People's personalities play a big part in how physically attractive they are to others. It's because you know he was a serial killer. If you didn't know that about him, you would most likely think, "what a handsome guy."
    I seem to remember some official saying that on difficulty in tracking Bundy down was that while he was a goodlooking man, he had few distinguishng or outstanding features.
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    I know a baby can be molded by his environment, but I think some are born lacking a conscious. I also think they have a twisted obsessive/compulsive behavior. They are compelled to kill.

    On another note, Bundy got caught because he was out casing house, couldn't drive worth a shit ever. He was driving eratically both times he got caught. If he had held down a job so he wouldn't have had to burglize houses and watched his driving, he might have had a longer run.

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    In the movie 'Ted Bundy' that had him driving around stealing stuff in broad daylight. One time he literally carried a TV out of a store, and threw it in his car, and took off. The part where he swipes a potted tree from in front of a store ,and crams it in the trunk of his car makes me LMAO !!! That guy was one crazy mofo.

    I've read all about his relationship with his family. Obviously, they weren't the best candidates to have children. They sound pretty messed up.I still don't buy the 'I had a bad childhood that's why I did these horrible things' bullshit. A lot of people have bad childhoods, and they don't go around killing people for cryin' out loud. He was just the spawn of the devil, and that's all there is to it. Pure evil.... nothing more...nothing less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCSunshine View Post
    I have got to read Ann Rule. I've never read one! Since you've all recommended The Stranger Beside Me I think I'll start with that one.

    Ted Bundy comes off as sane and intelligent in his final interview when he talks about his addiction to pornography. Makes you wonder whether he has a cogent point when he says pornography plays a major role in forming serial killers, that once violent, pornographic material puts an idea in their heads they find it hard to draw a line.

    On the other hand, he had many years in prison to devise a persuasive, compelling argument, and time to practice how he would deliver it to the news media. I don't for one second undermine the duplicity that serial killers exhibit as part of their narcissistic personalities.

    Get ready for a new addiction KC. Ann's books are all fantastic! I would also recommend Green River running Red, About the Green River Killer. Most libraries carry a lot of her books, so you may be able to just go check one out instead of having to buy them (even though I bought them, but I collect books)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCSunshine View Post
    Ted Bundy comes off as sane and intelligent in his final interview when he talks about his addiction to pornography.
    That is exactly the quality that made him so dangerous - that and he looked amazingly ordinary.

    The Stranger Beside Me is a great book, as are all of Ann Rule's book, in my opinion. It had to be creepy knowing you worked next to a serial killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    I know a baby can be molded by his environment, but I think some are born lacking a conscious. I also think they have a twisted obsessive/compulsive behavior. They are compelled to kill.

    On another note, Bundy got caught because he was out casing house, couldn't drive worth a shit ever. He was driving eratically both times he got caught. If he had held down a job so he wouldn't have had to burglize houses and watched his driving, he might have had a longer run.
    I agree Cindy. I truly believe some people are born bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCSunshine View Post
    That happened to my friend. A guy walked into his office, picked up a computer and just walked out with it. It's kinda funny, but not, but it is.
    That takes balls of steel!

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    I've always said, if you act like you know what you're doing, you can get away with anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    I know a baby can be molded by his environment, but I think some are born lacking a conscious. I also think they have a twisted obsessive/compulsive behavior. They are compelled to kill.

    .

    I wouldn't go putting obsessive/compulsive and killing in the same phrase.

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    KC.... that's just crazy. In the movie ...Ted drives past the store, then backs up real fast, jumps out, grabs the potted tree, and just totally crams the tree (pot and all) in the hatch of the trunk. Then he jumps back into the car, and burns rubber taking off. It just struck me as really funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grungegirl83 View Post
    I wouldn't go putting obsessive/compulsive and killing in the same phrase.
    Excuse me, but he was obsessed and compelled to kill. It was not my intention to imply that people with O/C are dangerous. They have their O/C with washing their hands, Bundy killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    Excuse me, but he was obsessed and compelled to kill. It was not my intention to imply that people with O/C are dangerous. They have their O/C with washing their hands, Bundy killed.

    I agree Cindy. Bundy was obsessive about killing! You didnt imply that people with O/C are dangerous killers, some people just read to much into what some people say
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melicious625 View Post
    I agree Cindy. Bundy was obsessive about killing! You didnt imply that people with O/C are dangerous killers, some people just read to much into what some people say
    Thank you, Mel

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    KC.... roflmao!!! "I've got your cheese"!!! That Alan Partridge show must be a riot. In the 'Ted' movie I think they tried to portray him as completely mentally unstable. He does things randomly. He'll just thump a woman in the head, and you don't even see it coming. It's the same with the stealing. They may have added some of it for dramatic effect. You just never knew what ol' Ted was going to do next. Other than being extremely graphic it is a pretty good movie. I give it 2 thumbs up!!! ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    Excuse me, but he was obsessed and compelled to kill. It was not my intention to imply that people with O/C are dangerous. They have their O/C with washing their hands, Bundy killed.
    I agree completely Cindy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCSunshine View Post
    Ted Bundy comes off as sane and intelligent in his final interview when he talks about his addiction to pornography. Makes you wonder whether he has a cogent point when he says pornography plays a major role in forming serial killers, that once violent, pornographic material puts an idea in their heads they find it hard to draw a line.
    More likely it was just an excuse to shift the blame for his actions to someone or something else.

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    Why would someone who wasn't violent even look at violent pornography in the first place? It just wouldn't appeal to them. Now, someone who is *already* violent would be likely to be drawn to violent pornography because they have that propensity for violence already. Therefore, the pornography wouldn't be to blame. With or without pornography, Bundy would have killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionova View Post
    Why would someone who wasn't violent even look at violent pornography in the first place? It just wouldn't appeal to them. Now, someone who is *already* violent would be likely to be drawn to violent pornography because they have that propensity for violence already. Therefore, the pornography wouldn't be to blame. With or without pornography, Bundy would have killed.
    The other thing to consider is the fact that when Bundy was finally caught for good in 1978, the porn industry wasn't even remotely like what it is now. The internet didn't exist, and I think the small-format VCR had JUST been invented, but was very expensive and very few people had them, consequently there were very few pornographic videos to play on them.

    To be sure, there were some magazines and some 8mm films, but they were nowhere near as available or as widespread as pornography is today.

    So yes, I think old Ted was just trying to blame something or someone else for his own behaviors (which is what psychopaths do anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    Excuse me, but he was obsessed and compelled to kill. It was not my intention to imply that people with O/C are dangerous. They have their O/C with washing their hands, Bundy killed.
    I agree Cindy. Most serial killers are obsessed with killing and that is why they are serial killers. The won't stop until they are caught or killed themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerV View Post
    The other thing to consider is the fact that when Bundy was finally caught for good in 1978, the porn industry wasn't even remotely like what it is now. The internet didn't exist, and I think the small-format VCR had JUST been invented, but was very expensive and very few people had them, consequently there were very few pornographic videos to play on them.

    To be sure, there were some magazines and some 8mm films, but they were nowhere near as available or as widespread as pornography is today.

    So yes, I think old Ted was just trying to blame something or someone else for his own behaviors (which is what psychopaths do anyway).
    In the book, "The Riverman: Ted Bundy and I Hunt for the Green River Killer" by Robert Keppel, another great TB book, the author was one of the folks interviewing Ted right up until the execution. Keppel said that Ted liked to try to impress people with their intelligence, but depending on who he was talking to, he also liked to people please by trying to tell people what they wanted to hear. My bet is that's what he was doing with James Dobson, and perhaps even wanted the association with him to show folks how he had turned to the Lord and shouldn't be executed.

    It is so strange that Ted would be so horrifically afraid of being executed, considering how much killing he did. In Keppel's book, it was stated that he was a "Narcissistic Personality" and as such, didn't believe the rules applied to him, had a sense of entitlement and lack of empathy. Keppel believed that Ted himself thought he would never be executed. In fact, for many years Ted thought he would be able to get the charges dropped on a technicality or something and eventually get out of prison. What a scary thought!
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    I have read several books on Ted Bundy. It's a fascinating case and makes me wonder how one person could be so evil. His supposed big issue was that he was born out of wedlock and raised as his biological mother being his sister, and his grandparents as his parents. The other interesting fact about Ted is that there were several months where his biological mother and grandparents hadn't decided what to do with baby Ted. During these months, he was alone, was never held or shown affection, and virtually unattended at the orphanage. I cannot imagine that finding out your sister was actually your mother and that your parents were actually your grandparents would cause you to become angry with all women and kill dozens of innocent victims. However, there are some studies that have linked infants being abandoned not ever able to bond with the rest of the world, many of whom become psychopaths.
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    The thing I find most intriguing about this story is the true testament of a mother's love for her child, in an encyclopedia type book on murders I used to have, it stated that Ted's mom, when he called her for the last time, told him that no matter what, that he would always be her little boy. It even showed a picture of her on the phone! I always tell that story when someone wonders how a mother can keep on loving a child that goes bad.

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    Well, if the ghost story is true..... it just goes to show that true evil never dies. Maybe, Ted's version of hell is to wander the place where he died ,and 'relive' his death over, and over for eternity? It sounds reasonable to me.

    laynesgirl.... the story has always been that he did it because, of the situation with his mom/sister. I don't quite buy all of it though. I think he was just pure evil looking for an outlet. That evil had always been in him, and he couldn't control it any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meli View Post
    Get ready for a new addiction KC. Ann's books are all fantastic! I would also recommend Green River running Red, About the Green River Killer. Most libraries carry a lot of her books, so you may be able to just go check one out instead of having to buy them (even though I bought them, but I collect books)
    Ann Rule is an incredible crime writer; she only has a few duds in the collection. BTW, anyone read Ann's daughter Leslie's books? All about ghosts, with Ann doing forwards. When she says she was haunted by her subjects, she really meant it.

    The Deliberate Stranger was an ok movie, except I can't see Mark Harmon as anyone BUT Bundy anymore. When NCIS commercials come on, I think "Jesus! How did he get out!?!

    Did anyone read the book The Phantom Prince, My Life With Ted Bundy by Elizabeth Kendall? I thought there would be more to it.

    A friend of mine was living in Milwaukee some years ago, and after a hard day doctorin' he stopped in at a bar. Nice place, little early to be crowded. Tom was sipping his martooni, and (as Tom described) a pleasant looking young man approached, introduced himself as Jeff, sat down and asked Tom if he'd like a drink. Tom said no, thank you, I've gotta get on home. They chatted pleasantly for a few minutes, and Tom left. A week or two later, Tom is at a bar, tv is on but vol. muted, he sees "Jeff", hollers, "Hey that's that Jeff guy that tried to buy me a drink!" The entire bar becomes silent. Tom says what did he do, kill somebody? (Tom is actually very sensitive, emotionally) When he heard the story of Jeff Dahmer, he vomited.
    Unfortunately for him, he was on a crisis team formed to assist the jurors through the severe trauma of the trial. Cannot remember if actually was a trial, but poor Tom was wrecked.

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    Damn Right,he was a chicken sh---

    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    In the movie he was portrayed as having to be dragged to the death chamber, and he cried like a bitch. I LMAO at that part in the movie. Ironic how he could torture, and kill so many women, and a child (Kimberly Leach) and when it came his time, he was scared to the point he probably would have shat himself, if not for the cotton wadding they rammed up his ass. LMAO!!! What a pussy!!!
    I don't want anyone to glorify this low-life. This dude ruined probably 300 lives.What if you had a daughter or a sister that was murdered by this son of a b----.I had a friend lose his step-daughter in a car crash and he is destroyed.He's not the same person anymore.And people glorify this trash.I'm glad they fried the bas---. If he was out now ,he would be killing again.He even admitted this.I'm glad he's dead.Good riddance,Bundy.Come back as a dog,please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DexterKitty View Post
    Well, if the ghost story is true..... it just goes to show that true evil never dies. Maybe, Ted's version of hell is to wander the place where he died ,and 'relive' his death over, and over for eternity? It sounds reasonable to me.

    laynesgirl.... the story has always been that he did it because, of the situation with his mom/sister. I don't quite buy all of it though. I think he was just pure evil looking for an outlet. That evil had always been in him, and he couldn't control it any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thinkering View Post
    In her book, The Stranger Beside Me, Ann Rule writes:
    "No one knew who the executioner was, but one witness saw thick, curled lashes fringing his/her eyes. 'I think it was a woman'"
    My guess is that it's urban legend and it started there.

    This is merely speculation on my part - but in the instances there has been female executioners, hasn't the convicted been female, too?

    I found a pretty good link in my search.
    There's a quote from the judge that sentenced Bundy:
    "It is ordered that you be put to death by a current of electricity, that current be passed through your body until you are dead. Take care of yourself, young man. I say that to you sincerely; take care of yourself. It's a tragedy for this court to see such a total waste of humanity as I've experienced in this courtroom. You're a bright young man. You'd have made a good lawyer, and I'd have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went the wrong way, partner. Take care of yourself. I don't have any animosity to you. I want you to know that. Take care of yourself."

    Also, according to the same link, he really did have a daughter with Boone. Yikes!
    The daughter will turn 27 this fall. I wonder if she knows who she is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryghost View Post
    Heres an interesting fact!

    Men actually have thicker and longer eyelashes than wimmin!
    AND slimmer hips and thighs! BASTARDS!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by james1977 View Post
    I don't want anyone to glorify this low-life. This dude ruined probably 300 lives.What if you had a daughter or a sister that was murdered by this son of a b----.I had a friend lose his step-daughter in a car crash and he is destroyed.He's not the same person anymore.And people glorify this trash.I'm glad they fried the bas---. If he was out now ,he would be killing again.He even admitted this.I'm glad he's dead.Good riddance,Bundy.Come back as a dog,please.
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    LMAO@ KC !!! There's many a Palm tree waitin' to be crammed into the hatch of a Volkswagon Bug in hell!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by james1977 View Post
    If he was out now ,he would be killing again.He even admitted this.I'm glad he's dead.Good riddance,Bundy.Come back as a dog,please.
    I like dogs. I'd rather he comes back as an anal polyp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SueWahoo View Post
    I like dogs. I'd rather he comes back as an anal polyp.
    I like dogs too. Maybe he could come back as a boil on the nastiest, most flatulent person in the world. And, this is boil never goes away, it must be repeatedly lanced. And the boil knows he's Ted and why he's there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meli View Post
    Get ready for a new addiction KC. Ann's books are all fantastic! I would also recommend Green River running Red, About the Green River Killer. Most libraries carry a lot of her books, so you may be able to just go check one out instead of having to buy them (even though I bought them, but I collect books)
    KC, Mel is right on. I've got at least 15 books by Ann Rule. The Stranger Beside Me was the first I read...and I was immediately hooked. I enjoyed them all, but a few others that stick out in my mind... A Rose For Her Grave, The I-5 Killer (whatever happened to Randy?), If You Really Loved Me. I could go on, as they are all great. The ones I listed are some of her earlier ones that got me hooked.

    Many true crime "authors" are jerks who are just out to make a buck...they exploit the victims and their writing is trash. Not Ann Rule. You can tell she cares about the victims and their families. Her writing is very respectful to those involved.

    I haven't read Green River Running Red!! I need to. Right now. Now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxyMillions View Post
    I like dogs too. Maybe he could come back as a boil on the nastiest, most flatulent person in the world. And, this is boil never goes away, it must be repeatedly lanced. And the boil knows he's Ted and why he's there.
    That's absolutely disgusting....excellent job, Maxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SueWahoo View Post
    That's absolutely disgusting....excellent job, Maxy.
    Why, thank you, Sue **Maxy blushing** I tried to come up with something as revolting as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by laynesgrl View Post
    The thing I find most intriguing about this story is the true testament of a mother's love for her child, in an encyclopedia type book on murders I used to have, it stated that Ted's mom, when he called her for the last time, told him that no matter what, that he would always be her little boy. It even showed a picture of her on the phone! I always tell that story when someone wonders how a mother can keep on loving a child that goes bad.
    Which mom? His Bio, or the Grandma/mom ?

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    I think it was Louise Bundy, his bio mom that did that for him.

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    Yeah, he probably did blame that weird bio mom/sister grandma bs for killing all those innocents. But, I agree that he was just pure evil like Hitler!
    Anyway, I have read alot of Ann Rule's books, and I can't believe I haven't read "The Stranger Beside Me' well actually I thought it would just be redundant from all the other books about him, but since there have been so many great reviews on it from here, I am gonna have to check it out!!!

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    I don't remember if he blamed his weird mom thingy or not, but I know he did blame booze and porn. But I believe that was just an excuse--because he had none. He was just evil.

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    In the movie "Ted"..what creeped me out the most was Ted lying beside the dead bodies in the woods (yuck) And when he asked the girl he was screwing to pretend she was dead. I lived in North Florida at the time his trial was in Gainesville. And he was executed January 24, 1989, the day before my birthday...a great birthday present!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laynesgrl View Post
    Yeah, he probably did blame that weird bio mom/sister grandma bs for killing all those innocents. But, I agree that he was just pure evil like Hitler!
    Anyway, I have read alot of Ann Rule's books, and I can't believe I haven't read "The Stranger Beside Me' well actually I thought it would just be redundant from all the other books about him, but since there have been so many great reviews on it from here, I am gonna have to check it out!!!
    Laynesgirl-I've read all the Bundy books, and I think Ann Rule's is the best. She has personal knowledge of him that makes it all the more disturbing. Enjoy!

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