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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    I don't think Obama is a bad guy. I think he's wet behind the ears. I think he came into the Presidency a bit niave. I think he's an idealist.
    I think your whole post is on the mark but this sentence in particular couldn't have been said better.

    Truth is, the president is always limited in what he can do which the constitution intended. In most cases a "bad" president is never as bad as percieved and a "good" president is never as good as percieved.

    People in general lack an understanding of how government, economics, and foreign policy works which leads them to have unrealistic expectations of any particular presidency.

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    Glad to see that President Obama and Republican Gov. Hailey Barbour came to a consensus in the gulf. Its Lemon-Lime water ice. (I think they thought they wouldn't look professional with a red ring around their mouths from the cherry.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communit...re-and-visit/1



    President Obama enjoys lemon-lime snow cones with Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, right, and Gulfport, Miss., Mayor George Schloegel, after meeting with residents affected by the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill.




    Emerging from a meeting with Govs. Bobby Jindal, R-La., and Haley Barbour, R-Miss., President Obama delivered a plug for regional tourism, important to the economies of states all along the Gulf coast.


    "There's still a lot of opportunity for visitors to come down here. There are a lot of beaches that have not been affected and will not be affected," Obama said. "If people want to help, the best way to help is to come down here and visit."
    Hmm. Do we detect a Gulf Coast presidential vacation in the works? There are plenty of beachfront properties available.
    Your blogger has received a firsthand account on beach conditions from a very special source: her own brother.


    He's staying down the beach from Alabama's Fort Morgan, where the president will stop today. Here's Tim Kiely's report.
    It's spectacularly beautiful... water is awesome, until you get up to the shoreline... little quarter sized balls of brown stuff that looks and feels like Play-Dough... then you pick one up, and it dissolves into vile goo all over your hands...
    I washed my hands for about 10 minutes... using rough dishwasher crystals... and finally got the film of oil off.
    The president lunched with local officials and businesspeople at Gulfport's Chimneys Restaurant. They discussed the safety of local seafood but didn't seem too worried about it: Lunch was mini-crab cakes, fried shrimp and shrimp salad sandwiches -- all washed down with lemonade and sweet tea.

    Afterward, Obama told reporters that one hotel owner said he has experienced a 40% drop in business because of the spill. "We are going to be working with business owners," the president said, promising that the feds will be "in this for the long haul."
    Help for businesses hurt by the spill "will be a topic of mine when I meet with BP executives on Wednesday," the president said.
    Obama proceeded to patronize one local business, strolling down a pier in 95-degree heat to get snow cones with Barbour. Both ordered lemon-lime. "See, that's something else we agree on," quipped Barbour, a former national chairman of the Republican Party.
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    Priceless - please come back and post again. You have very insightful thoughts and while we are in the minority, we can use all the help we can get!

    CoConn - you're dead on as always. And your last post, Haley's my guv-ner. We LOVE us some Haley down here. I predict he'll run for Pres in the next election and (IMO), we couldn't have a better one. WARNING: Dems, cover your eyes. He reminds me of our knight in shining armor, Reagan!

    Paul - So glad to see you back! I missed your super-informative posts!
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    Haley Barbour? Thats just what we need, the Governor of the poorest, most dependent state in the Union running the country.

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    I don't think that's true, Jefe. Links please...

    While you're at it, you might also want to look up links showing where we, as a state, give more to charity than any other state in the union (including Calif., which is, what, 12 times bigger than us?). Or how about where we may be poor, but we're the most financially solvent state (behind Texas). Or maybe how we have the lowest crime rate in the country. These sound like good things to me.

    Can Mississippi be the poorest state in the country when Calif is falling off the cliff of bankruptcy? We may not make a lot, but we pay our bills.
    For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39

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    It's fascinating to me to get a sort of inside look at the way you Americans interact with one another here. From the outside, the impression we usually get is that you're an all-for-one, one-for-all type of people who - internationally, at least - really stick up for one another.

    Here though.... It's pretty funny to watch how you guys hack on one another when you're just talking amongst yourselves.
    (And when I say it's humourous, I mean that in the most good-natured way.)

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    Yes we are one big happy country! Wow people just can't seem to wait to see Obama fail. In my opinion we're no better now then we were when Bush was running the country. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JefeStone View Post
    Haley Barbour? Thats just what we need, the Governor of the poorest, most dependent state in the Union running the country.

    I assume you voted for Clinton. What do you think of Arkansas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by duster View Post
    It's fascinating to me to get a sort of inside look at the way you Americans interact with one another here. From the outside, the impression we usually get is that you're an all-for-one, one-for-all type of people who - internationally, at least - really stick up for one another.

    Here though.... It's pretty funny to watch how you guys hack on one another when you're just talking amongst yourselves.
    (And when I say it's humourous, I mean that in the most good-natured way.)
    We're just like brothers and sisters, Duster. We bicker amongst ourselves all the time, but just let an outsider come in and we unite quickly!
    For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39

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    Look at the state Clinton left Arkansas and look at Mississippi now. The tea partiers cry about high taxes even though taxes are now lower than they have been in years. Haley Barbour is the governor in the poorest state but his budget calls for the higest grocery tax in the nation. But he can truthfully claim he fights to keep his tobacco taxes the nations lowest. I wonder if Phillip Morris is a contributor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JefeStone View Post
    Look at the state Clinton left Arkansas and look at Mississippi now.
    I look at the poorest states in the union (according to median income in 2007) and Mississippi was last and Arkansas was 3rd last.

    Bill Clinton did what any politician does.
    He focused on a few things he could make progress in.

    I don't think median income takes into consideration standard of living. It is more expensive to live in Maryland (the highest ranking) than Mississippi.

    When we talk of governors, they actually manage something.
    Obama was a state senator and then he was a senator for 4 year.
    The last two he was running for president.
    Senators don't have the type of responsibility or ownership of issues.


    Most Americans are angry about the government's slow response, an AP poll finds, with 54 percent saying they had strong feelings about the bureaucracy's reaction. Many doubt that Washington could really help them if they were a disaster victim.

    The survey found that 52 percent don't approve of Obama's handling of the spill, a significant increase from last month when a big chunk of Americans withheld judgment.

    A stunning 83 percent disapprove of BP's performance in the aftermath of the explosion that set off the spill. That percentage of Americans disapproving also was a huge jump from May.

    Back then, people seemed to take a more wait-and-see approach
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    Gallup: Majority Doesn't Want Obama Re-elected


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMysterian View Post

    A majority of Americans do not think President Barack Obama should win re-election.


    Shouldn't that read 'The majority of a random telephone sample of 1,014 adults living in continental USA think President Barack Obama should win re-election'?

    I could go on about surveys, methodologies and their interpretation, but does anyone think that a random telephone 1,014 person survey population is representative of the estimated eligible voter population of 208,323,000?

    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMysterian View Post
    Got any qualitative survey results as opposed to quantitative survey results? You get a better insight into the rational and reasoning for eligible potential voter voting tendencies this way rather than a random sampling of .0001% of the eligible voting population via random telephone surveys (weighted, interpreted and extrapolated to reflect the voting population).

    Interestingly, of the eligible voter population of 208,323,000, only about 132,000,000 actually voted in the last election.

    Take these surveys with a grain of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neilmpenny View Post

    but does anyone think that a random telephone 1,014 person survey population is representative of the estimated eligible voter population of 208,323,000?

    No.
    That is how surveys work. Whether we're talking about presidents or anything else.

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    Obama internet 'kill switch' bill approved

    What idiot would throw the switch on the internet and cripple US business?

    Nice concept as an isolationist policy, but the only people hurt in the long run here will be the US companies. Other companies outside the US will be hurt initially, but they will find other markets.

    Sure, the critical infrastructure is in the US, but after the switch being thrown, who thinks that the rest of the world will not put in place critical infrastructure to bypass this? We out here in the rest of the world will just bypass the USA and carry on business as usual.

    China is the main game now.

    DOH!!!!

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    From a purely technical standpoint it is not a bad idea. Any network always needs a cutoff point from other networks in case of a virus outbreak, cyber attack, etc., so I would be behind any country putting these measures in place.

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    They're bored in DC

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    Check California's budget deficits and tell me who is really poor.

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    Are people up in arrears about Obama being in a music video? Oh my. Does anyone really care? No offense, Ich. I was talking about the article, not you.
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    Wow it seems now a days Pres.Obama can't fart without it causing some controversy. He's trying to do his job but others want to see him fail so they
    can say "see we told you".

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    I don't know anyone who wants him to fail besides Rush Limbaugh but many criticisms of his policies and the way his administration operates are valid in my opinion.

    Take for example the recess appointment of Donald Berwick to oversee for the most part "Obamacare". Recess appointments were intended to fill crucial vancancies when necessary in the absence of congress. This appointment violates everything the process was intended for because 1) It was not a crucial vacancy that occurred suddenly and 2) His own party has the votes to confirm him regardless of what the republicans do.

    So why put him in office this way? So he would not have to face the republican questions about all of his socialist statements. Is this fair to us, the american people who deserve to hear him explain himself?

    That is just one example as to some of the types of criticisms I feel are fair.

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    The essence of Obama is found in his immigration "policy" which takes Arizona to court for enforcing U.S. law but leaves sanctuary cities -- like Houston and San Francisco, which refuse to enforce the law -- alone.

    With thinking like that, it's not a matter of wanting to see him fail as it is knowing that he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggerez View Post
    The essence of Obama is found in his immigration "policy" which takes Arizona to court for enforcing U.S. law but leaves sanctuary cities -- like Houston and San Francisco, which refuse to enforce the law -- alone.
    The lawsuit also never mentions a concern over racial profiling which has been the cornerstone of the anti-Arizona law movement from the top of the government on down to the illegals themselves.

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    The lawsuit also never mentions a concern over racial profiling which has been the cornerstone of the anti-Arizona law movement from the top of the government on down to the illegals themselves.
    Well, let's face it, calling their opponents racists is about the only card the Left has in its deck. But ultimately it's as hollow as everything else.

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    My friends Paul and Taggerez have raised vaild concerns above. I, too, believe that no one wants to see Obama fail, at least no one with any sense. He's our President. If he fails, the entire country goes right along with him. I would be in everyone's best interests for him to suceed.
    For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39

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    OMG that was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    My friends Paul and Taggerez have raised vaild concerns above. I, too, believe that no one wants to see Obama fail, at least no one with any sense. He's our President. If he fails, the entire country goes right along with him. I would be in everyone's best interests for him to suceed.
    Well, it's the part about having sense that scares me.
    There are so many senseless people out there spouting hatred.
    And I believe that many on the right DO want to see him fail, they can't get past their loss and they have become the party of no.

    Unless of course you are funding the war.
    And that is one of Obamas big failures, stop spending money on a war that does NOTHING for this country.

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    I agree with Rosie O'Donnell
    I don't believe I said that.



    Posted on Jul 29, 2010 @ 04:32AM



    President Barack Obama Thursday becomes the first sitting U.S. president to appear on a daytime talk show - The View - and even before its aired, he's already catching flak from critics such as ex-View co-host Rosie O'Donnell, who says the commander-in-chief should be focusing his energies elsewhere.
    Watch the video on RadarOnline.com
    "I don't really think sitting presidents should do fluffy daytime TV shows," O'Donnell said
    New York Daily News writer S.E. Cupp, in an editorial titled, "Two wars, oil crisis, crashed economy and he's whooping it up with Whoopi," put the issue in similar perspective.

    "Obama will surely discuss the state of the nation on ‘The View,’ in between coos and leg pats from Sherri, wisecracks from Joy and earnest pseudo-journalism from Elisabeth," she wrote, "but it's unlikely he'll change the minds of voters who are increasingly unimpressed that our President is a wiz at self-promotion, but no good at steering the nation through these tricky straits."

    Mr. Obama, who appeared on the ABC staple twice prior to being elected president, said it was his wife’s fondness for the daytime talk show that made him want to appear.
    "Look, I was trying to find a show that Michelle actually watched, and so I thought this is it, right here," he told the panel of The View, according to ABC. "All those new shows, she's like, eh, let me get the clicker."

    President Obama taped his interview with The View on Wednesday. It airs Thursday on ABC at 11am/10c
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    Quote Originally Posted by shipmatekate View Post
    Well, it's the part about having sense that scares me.
    There are so many senseless people out there spouting hatred.
    And I believe that many on the right DO want to see him fail, they can't get past their loss and they have become the party of no.

    Unless of course you are funding the war.
    And that is one of Obamas big failures, stop spending money on a war that does NOTHING for this country.
    I agree with your whole post..we would be better to support hiim than fight him..Instead of critcizing every move and word he says..lets actually hear him out..sorry I won't say he hasn't pissed me off at times but give him some breathing room!! I truly have not seen so much hatred spewed in one man's direction in a very long time!! The right definately would like nothing better than to see him fail they are just so blinded they don't realize the repurcussions.

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    Oh and about his appearance on The View...I know I'm gonna get flamed..I think it's a pretty clever approach to getting heard..unfortunately that won't happen if Viewers cover their ears and go La La La the minute he opens his mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    Oh and about his appearance on The View...I know I'm gonna get flamed..I think it's a pretty clever approach to getting heard..unfortunately that won't happen if Viewers cover their ears and go La La La the minute he opens his mouth.
    Isn't there something more important he could be doing instead of doing talk shows. Talk is cheap let's see some action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coconn04 View Post
    Isn't there something more important he could be doing instead of doing talk shows. Talk is cheap let's see some action.
    He can't act if he's constantly fighting to not get shot down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    He can't act if he's constantly fighting to not get shot down!
    The guy has democratic control of both houses. It not the fight you imagine it. Most president will always have people that will like or not like them no matter what.
    A sitting President going on Leno or Late Night TV isn't going to make me feel better.
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    I realize some of you probably watch "The View", but my opinion is this: That is the worst piece of drivel on TV today. It makes my ears bleed and my brain hurt to listen to so much mind-numbing crap that these women spout. And that's from only about 10 minutes BOTH times I've tried to watch it. If this is a show that Michelle Obama likes, my respect for her just went down in spades.
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    When I was reading the OPRAH! book I remembered that she had on both Al Gore and George W. Bush on.
    Gore came off really stiff and Bush was very animated and kissed Oprah.
    It said that that helped turned the election around.
    I think taking the stunt to the next extreme by having sitting presidents on these things is a bad precedent.
    If I tuned to any daytime show, I want entertainment anyway not a politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    The right definately would like nothing better than to see him fail they are just so blinded they don't realize the repurcussions.
    It depends on how you define failure. If failing means he drives this country into the stone age through out of control inflation, spending, taxation and causing the demise of modern healthcare, then the right represents those with the most to lose in that scenario. In that case failure is the last thing they want.

    If by failure you mean he can't push through a socialist agenda that is counter to what made this country great, then you would be correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    I agree with your whole post..we would be better to support hiim than fight him..Instead of critcizing every move and word he says..lets actually hear him out..sorry I won't say he hasn't pissed me off at times but give him some breathing room!! I truly have not seen so much hatred spewed in one man's direction in a very long time!! The right definately would like nothing better than to see him fail they are just so blinded they don't realize the repurcussions.
    Well he has pissed me off too.
    What a vast majority seem to not understand is that change happens slowly.
    Very slowly. Christ, when I was in the corporate world it was unreal how slowly decisions were made (meetings, meetings, meetings) and implemented.
    We are talking about the government here, you can imagine how difficult that would be!
    I too believe the right would like him to fail.

    Oh and to all you folks that don't like him on teevee talk shows, how about Dubyas appearance on a fishing show?

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    This is from an interview with White House Press secretary Robert Gibbs,


    In an interview with The Hill newspaper in Washington DC, Gibbs revealed frustration at attacks on the administration from liberal Democrats and others on the left, in terms likely to make relations even worse:
    "I hear these people saying he's like George Bush. Those people ought to be drug tested," Gibbs said. "I mean, it's crazy."

    The press secretary dismissed the "professional left" in terms very similar to those used by their opponents on the ideological right, saying, "They will be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare and we've eliminated the Pentagon. That's not reality."
    Within hours of the interview being published, Gibbs tried to walk back his remarks, calling them "inartful". He told the Huffington Post:
    I watch too much cable, I admit. Day after day it gets frustrating. Yesterday I watched as someone called legislation to prevent teacher layoffs a bailout - but I know that's not a view held by many, nor were the views I was frustrated about.
    Gibbs went on to say: "So we should all, me included, stop fighting each other and arguing about our differences on certain policies".

    His remarks reflect the White House's sensitivity at criticism from the left of the Democratic party, who are unhappy that Obama has too often appeared to compromise on domestic policy while continuing Bush administration policies on Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as a continued failure to close Guantanamo prison.
    Gibbs's remarks were quickly taken up and dissected on liberal blogs.
    Glenn Greenwald at Salon described Gibbs's remarks as "one of the most petulant, self-pitying outbursts seen from a top political official in recent memory, half derived from a paranoid Richard Nixon rant and the other half from a Sean Hannity/Sarah Palin caricature of The Far Left". Chris Bowers of the OpenLeft blog responded in a post headlined "Dear swing voters, you suck. Love, The White House":
    If the White House really doesn't think it has any problems among self-identified liberals or progressives, and that all the complaints are coming from a grasstop elite, it needs to look at the data again.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/rich...-critics-obama
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    The democratic party is split into 3 factions: The moderate democrat, the liberal democrat, and the far left.

    The far left (looney left as some will call it) has an idea of a utopian society that cannot exist in real world situations. The far left would have everyone taken care of at every level, a huge government to make it happen but somehow maintain a free market (albeit heavily regulated) economic system. The far left ignores all evidence, facts, historical data, statistical data and mathmatics that shows that the society they are looking for cannot exist.

    The problem happens when they put a game plan together and implement actions to get to utopia with no regard for the actual results. This screws up whatever current system they are trying to change to the point where the government has to "save" the people from the result. The hope is that the saving will be far enough removed from the original action that the common person overlooks the origins.

    My point is that Obama has resisted some of the temptation to do some of the things that the far left wants him to do and they are now reacting to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    My point is that Obama has resisted some of the temptation to do some of the things that the far left wants him to do and they are now reacting to it.
    There are no apologies from the press secretary about his statements the other day. This is the remark where Press Secratary Gibb calling the 'professional left' to be drug tested for their criticsm of OBAMA,

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday he might have said things differently when he lashed out at liberals he called the "professional left" and suggested some of them should be drug tested.

    But he told his daily White house briefing that he's certainly not leaving his job over the remark, as at least one Democratic congressman has suggested.

    And he stuck to his line that President Barack Obama has accomplished or made great strides on key goals and promises despite criticism from some liberals that he has not done enough.
    Gibbs found himself in hot water with some liberals after his remarks in an interview with "The Hill" newspaper.

    The spokesman said that liberals who likened Obama to former President George W. Bush on many policies should be "drug tested."
    One Democratic congressman, Minnesota's Keith Ellison, suggested Gibbs resign.
    Asked if he regretted his choice of words, Gibbs said, "many times I could have said thing slightly differently."

    But, he added with a chuckle, "There's no truth to the rumor that I've added an inflatable exit to my office."
    It was a reference to JetBlue flight attendant Steven Slater, who became angry at a passenger, cursed the passenger out over the plane's loudspeaker on Monday and then slid down the inflatable emergency slide to the tarmac at New York's Kennedy Airport.

    Gibbs said he hasn't talked to Obama directly about his choice of words, which he called "born out of frustration."
    He said that many of Obama's campaign promises, led by the sweeping health care overhaul, have been brought to fruition, and suggested that "those are accomplishments that we all should be proud of, regardless of whether it encompasses 100 percent of what we had wanted in the beginning."

    Asked if he had put his foot in his mouth or had said something he meant, Gibbs said: "I think I have both my feet firmly planted on the floor and nothing in my mouth to speak of." It was the first time he has commented on the controversy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    The democratic party is split into 3 factions: The moderate democrat, the liberal democrat, and the far left.

    The far left (looney left as some will call it) has an idea of a utopian society that cannot exist in real world situations. The far left would have everyone taken care of at every level, a huge government to make it happen but somehow maintain a free market (albeit heavily regulated) economic system. The far left ignores all evidence, facts, historical data, statistical data and mathmatics that shows that the society they are looking for cannot exist.

    The problem happens when they put a game plan together and implement actions to get to utopia with no regard for the actual results. This screws up whatever current system they are trying to change to the point where the government has to "save" the people from the result. The hope is that the saving will be far enough removed from the original action that the common person overlooks the origins.

    My point is that Obama has resisted some of the temptation to do some of the things that the far left wants him to do and they are now reacting to it.
    And herein lies the problem. While there are different factions of Reps as well, the Reps have all agreed to stonewall anything the Dems and Obama bring forth (as much as they can). The Dems, however, are not only fighting against the Reps, they are now fighting amongst themselves. So by that math, there are 4 main groups duking it out in Congress as we speak. And all of them are upset with Obama. All the while, Obama's approval rating is sinking lower and lower with America. This man cannot win - he couldn't win when he was elected, and he can't win now. It's a sad, sad situation. I do not envy him at all.
    For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    All the while, Obama's approval rating is sinking lower and lower with America.
    The problem is that most of america is fundamentally opposed his policies.

    You can win an election by appealling to the "I hate Bush" crowd but you can't run the country on it. You can't blame Bush for running up a huge deficit, then quadruple it.

    You can't bail out wall street, then condemn them in the same breath.

    You can't promise unemployment of below 8.5 if the stimulus passes, then have it raise to 9.5.

    You can't promise healthcare for everyone, then design a legislation that is designed to fail.

    You can't promise to not raise taxes on a family under 250K, then hide new taxes EVERYWHERE in the healthcare bill.

    The democrats designed a mortgage relief plan that has by all accounts failed.

    And the list goes on and on.

    I am not opposed to Obama as a person. I think he is a likeable guy. But if you have ever studied economics and the relevent mathmatics that accompanies it you will find that these policies just don't work. If I know it, then I would expect his administration to know that too.

    A better stimulus would have been to take the 700B and divide it among the households in America which would have given each 6140.00. Or better yet, give it to every middle an lower class household bringing the total to approx. 11,000 each houehold. People would have gone out and spent most of it and that is what will stimulate the economy.

    Instead, the banks are holding it and credit is still frozen.

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    You're completely right as always, Paul.

    I must say I do like the plan/execution that Obama had earlier in his Presidency where he refunded taxes to Americans the same as Bush's rebate years earlier. Except Obama did it better. He put out a small tax rebate of $8.00 every pay period instead of a lump sum. Most of America saved or payed bills with Bush's rebate, but Obama's $8.00 is going straight into the economy.

    I have to wonder if Americans wouldn't save the $6140.00 or $11,000.00 for a rainy day instead of spending it, though.
    For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    The problem is that most of america is fundamentally opposed his policies.

    You can win an election by appealling to the "I hate Bush" crowd but you can't run the country on it. You can't blame Bush for running up a huge deficit, then quadruple it.
    True, they have not changed their game plan since day 1.
    Obama doesn't have a handle on where America as a country is.
    HE leaves it up to Pelosi and the rest.
    HE just seems to blame what is going on with someone else's presidency.

    Palin is no longer an elected official yet there seem to be hatred handed her way too.

    I don't understand how someone gains popularity by saying, I am not as bad as the last guy?

    I think some people go by if the intentions are good, that means the world.
    This is even in that face if things don't turn out quite as excepted.
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    What do you think....does Ben Quayle have any validity? IS Barack on his way out for his next election? Can he turn things around?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot...ent-in-history

    Thu Aug 12, 2:37 pm ET Quayle’s son: Obama is the ‘worst president in history’


    By Holly Bailey holly Bailey – Thu Aug 12, 2:37 pm ET
    Is President Obama the "worst president in history"? That's what the son of former Vice President [COLOR=#366388! important][COLOR=#366388! important]Dan [COLOR=#366388! important]Quayle[/color][/color][/color] claims in a new TV ad aimed at boosting his congressional bid in Arizona.


    Ben Quayle, running for the GOP nomination in the state's 3rd Congressional District, speaks directly to the camera in the spot, which began airing in the Phoenix area Wednesday. "Barack Obama is the worst president in history," [COLOR=#366388! important][COLOR=#366388! important]Quayle[/color][/color] says in the ad's opening seconds. Because of Obama, the 33-year-old says, "my generation will inherit a weakened country."
    Citing "drug cartels in Mexico" and "tax cartels in D.C.," Quayle asks, "What's happened to America?" He goes on to ask voters to send him to Congress. "I love Arizona. I was raised right," he says. "Somebody has to go to [COLOR=#366388! important][COLOR=#366388! important]Washington[/color][/color] and knock the hell out of the place." You can watch the ad after the jump.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4jiqYcUoOk

    Ben Quayle commercial @ Yahoo! Video

    Quayle, an attorney from Scottsdale, has never held public office, and until this week, his congressional bid had gotten little notice. He has cast himself as a family man, no doubt hoping to get a boost from his famous dad.
    [Flashback: Dan Quayle's P-O-T-A-T-O-E incident among top gaffes]
    But not all is as it appears. Quayle was photographed with a pair of kids for a recent campaign mailer, but he later had to clarify that they weren't actually his children.

    And his latest ad dropped the same day Quayle was forced to admit that he used to write for a notoriously raunchy gossip blog, Dirty Scottsdale.
    Quayle faces nearly a dozen other candidates in the state's Aug. 24 GOP primary.
    Last edited by Nicki; 08-13-2010 at 01:41 AM.

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